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Old 05-27-2010, 09:03 AM
 
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The author raises a good point, if the law is followed to the letter and bars racial profiling and only permits law enforcement agents to question people breaking the law, the number of arrests are going to be minimal.

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I don't mean to be obvious, but if the Arizona law does prohibit racial profiling, it can't possibly work. It's not as if Arizona is being overrun with wayward Portuguese nationals who have overstayed their student visas. All available evidence suggests illegal immigrants in Arizona fit a very specific ethnic/racial profile. Any serious effort to catch illegal immigrants in Arizona would have to target persons who appear to be Mexican. It couldn't be successful otherwise.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:15 AM
 
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How can you racially profile in a multi-racial country like the USA or Mexico? How do Mexicans arrest the Central Americans crossing over from Guatemala?

Now if someone cannot speak a word of English or has an accent from another country and is asked for that reason - that isn't racial profiling, that's language profiling but no one ever wants to bring that up. Wonder why.

If someone is speeding away from the border in a pickup packed with 20 men - and cannot provide a drivers license or proof of insurance, it's not racial profiling to check immigration status. Same goes for the drop houses with 50 people crammed inside and faces covered with duct tape, sleeping on the floor and unable to speak English. They might not be born USA citizens. Most likely they are not.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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How can you racially profile in a multi-racial country like the USA or Mexico?
Your kidding right? No racial profiling can exist in the USA?



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if someone is speeding away from the border in a pickup packed with 20 men - and cannot provide a drivers license or proof of insurance, it's not racial profiling to check immigration status. Same goes for the drop houses with 50 people crammed inside and faces covered with duct tape, sleeping on the floor and unable to speak English. They might not be born USA citizens. Most likely they are not.
How many illegal immigrants are caught in this predicament? How often do LE agents come across this scenario. Seriously, if this is the bench mark for arresting illegal immigrants you will not make a dent in the problem.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:34 AM
 
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The goal of the law, as best I can tell, is to override various cities' sanctuary policy. As it stands - if an illegal is arrested, and has no documentation, in a sanctuary city there is no follow up about the perp's immigration status. This is why Jamiel Shaw and the Bolognas (Anthony, Matthew, and Michael), among many others, are dead today. If the illegals who commit murder after already having run up a rap sheet had been checked for their immigration status at their earlier arrests and convictions, they may have been deported before they had a chance to go on to murder US citizens.

The law is not going to place cops on street corners to eyeball the skin tone of ladies pushing baby strollers as they go about their day. But listening to MSM, and even our TOTUS, you'd think that's what this law is all about.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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Now if someone cannot speak a word of English or has an accent from another country and is asked for that reason - that isn't racial profiling, that's language profiling but no one ever wants to bring that up. Wonder why.
Language profiling? So should we stop hiring people that sound like blacks or have thick southern accents too because they tend to be "uneducated and speak English incorrectly" Where do we stop this nonsense? I know when, when IT AFFECTS YOU PERSONALLY.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:43 AM
 
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The goal of the law, as best I can tell, is to override various cities' sanctuary policy. As it stands - if an illegal is arrested, and has no documentation, in a sanctuary city there is no follow up about the perp's immigration status. This is why Jamiel Shaw and the Bolognas (Anthony, Matthew, and Michael), among many others, are dead today. If the illegals who commit murder after already having run up a rap sheet had been checked for their immigration status at their earlier arrests and convictions, they may have been deported before they had a chance to go on to murder US citizens.

The law is not going to place cops on street corners to eyeball the skin tone of ladies pushing baby strollers as they go about their day. But listening to MSM, and even our TOTUS, you'd think that's what this law is all about.
If the only time you are going to ask for proof of documentation is during an arrest than the total percentage of illegal immigrants you are going to arrest will be minimal. There are hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants that live in the shadows and don't get arrested. Without racial profiling how will you find them? Ask every citizen you pull over? Not practical or efficient.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:57 AM
 
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If the only time you are going to ask for proof of documentation is during an arrest than the total percentage of illegal immigrants you are going to arrest will be minimal. There are hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants that live in the shadows and don't get arrested. Without racial profiling how will you find them? Ask every citizen you pull over? Not practical or efficient.
So your beef now is that the law isn't effective enough? You want LE to be more efficient in finding all the millions of illegals? Look, I really don't think anyone is overly concerned with the illegals who keep their noses clean, obey our laws and mind their own business. They should go home to their countries and try to come back the legal way, but the focus of this law isn't about rounding up harmless illegals carrying on with their lives. The primary concern is the safety of the citizens of our nation. LE's hands were tied from the sanctuary policy, and this had to happen in order to filter out criminals that have no right even being present in our country. We shouldn't allow them to stay once LE has identified them just so they can continue to wreak havoc on our society.

With this in mind, how do you now feel about the law?
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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What Donth8me said.

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How many illegal immigrants are caught in this predicament? How often do LE agents come across this scenario. Seriously, if this is the bench mark for arresting illegal immigrants you will not make a dent in the problem.
Seriously Holdencaulfield, read the bill already. What your describing is suspose to be the job of ICE. The intent of this bill is not to burden local law inforcement with raids and round-ups and increased arrests. It is to allow LE to follow up on legal status within the scope of their normal duties.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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What Donth8me said.



Seriously Holdencaulfield, read the bill already. What your describing is suspose to be the job of ICE. The intent of this bill is not to burden local law inforcement with raids and round-ups and increased arrests. It is to allow LE to follow up on legal status within the scope of their normal duties.
I didn't bring up that scenario, malumute did, I just responded. As I stated , without racial profiling LE are extremely limited. The other option is to check everyone they come across indiscriminately, not efficient and too time consuming.
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Old 05-27-2010, 11:18 AM
 
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The author raises a good point, if the law is followed to the letter and bars racial profiling and only permits law enforcement agents to question people breaking the law, the number of arrests are going to be minimal.



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So then why are so many pro illigeals pissed off? (they haven't read the law)

Side note; The media has been known to troll.
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