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Old 06-10-2010, 04:57 PM
 
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Last time I checked Texas won that land through military conflict, without the help of the United States. Who did the Spaniards steal that land from? You see.. no matter what way you slice it it's not Mexico, and never will be. If you really did know history, you would know the Texas situation was over the abolition of the 1824 constitution of Mexico, you should read up on it. But you are trying to validate the feelings of La Raza and MEChA indirectly excusing illegal immigration. Here is more on the 1824 constitution : 1824 Constitution of Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I meant it was stolen either way. Spaniards from natives, Mexicans from Spaniards, Anglos from Mexicans. I'm not trying to EXCUSE illegal immigration, I just think learning the HISTORY of these places PRE-Anglo, is important. Like how the Alamo is a symbol for Texan INDEPENDENCE, but it was a VERY important Spanish Mission before that. It's almost as if the completely eradicated it's PRE-Texas Independence history.
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Old 06-10-2010, 07:25 PM
 
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I meant it was stolen either way. Spaniards from natives, Mexicans from Spaniards, Anglos from Mexicans. I'm not trying to EXCUSE illegal immigration, I just think learning the HISTORY of these places PRE-Anglo, is important. Like how the Alamo is a symbol for Texan INDEPENDENCE, but it was a VERY important Spanish Mission before that. It's almost as if the completely eradicated it's PRE-Texas Independence history.
as they say
those who dont rememmer history are doomd to repeet it
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Old 06-10-2010, 08:39 PM
 
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I meant it was stolen either way. Spaniards from natives, Mexicans from Spaniards, Anglos from Mexicans. I'm not trying to EXCUSE illegal immigration, I just think learning the HISTORY of these places PRE-Anglo, is important. Like how the Alamo is a symbol for Texan INDEPENDENCE, but it was a VERY important Spanish Mission before that. It's almost as if the completely eradicated it's PRE-Texas Independence history.
Pre-Texas Independence, the Mexican government offered land and cash to settlers from the Eastern U.S. to come to Texas to eradicate the Apache. Mexico held land in Texas for 27 years--no more, no less. Native Americans held it for 14,000 years.

Who is the interloper in this situation?
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Old 06-10-2010, 09:57 PM
 
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Pre-Texas Independence, the Mexican government offered land and cash to settlers from the Eastern U.S. to come to Texas to eradicate the Apache. Mexico held land in Texas for 27 years--no more, no less. Native Americans held it for 14,000 years.

Who is the interloper in this situation?
texas was part of medxico
for maybe 15 years
1821 to 1836
if my mind is right
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:05 AM
 
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Pre-Texas Independence, the Mexican government offered land and cash to settlers from the Eastern U.S. to come to Texas to eradicate the Apache. Mexico held land in Texas for 27 years--no more, no less. Native Americans held it for 14,000 years.

Who is the interloper in this situation?
The 27yr influence can be seen throughout the state, and shoudln't be ignored. It was Texas before Anglos, and blacks.
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:23 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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The 27yr influence can be seen throughout the state, and shoudln't be ignored. It was Texas before Anglos, and blacks.
And it was Native American for 14,000 years before the European (Spanish) conquistadors moved in and began systematically killing and enslaving the indigenous population.

What's your point?
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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The 27yr influence can be seen throughout the state, and shoudln't be ignored. It was Texas before Anglos, and blacks.
wich means little
xcept for history reasons
tha usa has ownd texas
much longer than mexico
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:40 PM
 
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I meant it was stolen either way. Spaniards from natives, Mexicans from Spaniards, Anglos from Mexicans. I'm not trying to EXCUSE illegal immigration, I just think learning the HISTORY of these places PRE-Anglo, is important. Like how the Alamo is a symbol for Texan INDEPENDENCE, but it was a VERY important Spanish Mission before that. It's almost as if the completely eradicated it's PRE-Texas Independence history.
How do you think the memory of Spanish missions has been eradicated? I learned about the missions in grade school, even went on a field trip to one in SoCal. It is remembered as an important part of American history because of the battle that was fought there with the Mexican army. Did you read about the Mexican constitution eradication that started the entire Texas/ Mexico war? how about the other Mexican states that refused to join the new Mexican dictatorship at that time? Oh yeah.. it was only the White mans greed.
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:27 PM
 
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How do you think the memory of Spanish missions has been eradicated? I learned about the missions in grade school, even went on a field trip to one in SoCal. It is remembered as an important part of American history because of the battle that was fought there with the Mexican army. Did you read about the Mexican constitution eradication that started the entire Texas/ Mexico war? how about the other Mexican states that refused to join the new Mexican dictatorship at that time? Oh yeah.. it was only the White mans greed.
Mis-quote me why don't. White mans greed? I learned about all of that stuff you said, I'm saying in the overall spectrum of things, not some 1 page section in some history book. I'm talking movies, shows etc, presenting the Battle Of Alamo and demonizing anything not associated with the Anglos Texan Independence. No one wants to admit all sides were wrong, and much rather demonize the Mexican Army. It happened when I took Texas History in 5th grade. It indoctrinates the people that learn about it. I remember white kids and Mexican kids in conflict with each other over this. oh well, you can't change history.
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Old 06-15-2010, 12:45 AM
 
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Mis-quote me why don't. White mans greed? I learned about all of that stuff you said, I'm saying in the overall spectrum of things, not some 1 page section in some history book. I'm talking movies, shows etc, presenting the Battle Of Alamo and demonizing anything not associated with the Anglos Texan Independence. No one wants to admit all sides were wrong, and much rather demonize the Mexican Army. It happened when I took Texas History in 5th grade. It indoctrinates the people that learn about it. I remember white kids and Mexican kids in conflict with each other over this. oh well, you can't change history.

Demonize the Mexican Army? When was that taught in History class?? Taking pride in the fact that Texas was able to annex, and fight off the new centralized government of Mexico (which had eradicated the state system, centralizing power and causing a civil conflicts) is something for all Texans to be proud of, should they be sorry for what happened? because of the conflict Mexico soon restored the constitution of 1824- keeping the nation from becoming a dictatorship, and eventually paving the way for the Constituent Congress. You have to keep in mind it's American History told by our perspective. I would venture to say that both sides are wrong, and I'm sure Mexico has a different perspective on the situation they tell their students. Bottom line: it's done and is America, we made good use of the land and have built a prosperous nation that is the envy of the world. Mexico still cannot get their stuff together..
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