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Old 06-17-2007, 09:40 AM
 
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You can look at the future of America, in South America. Countries in South America were not founded by indians or mayans, or this dysfunctional mixture you see these days. South America was created by Spaniards. But unfortunatelly, Spaniards never had a colonization plan. They went in big masses just to get the natural resources for the empire; fighting against indians but without the purpose of expand the empire and settle down there forever. Well, eventually some of them did; they stayed there, some more went from Spain and all countries from Europe, but these native tribes started growing, growing, mixing each other, out breeding other ethnicities, and today, after 200+ years they are the majority in South America. Every day we see more and more indian presidents down there, socialism and communism everywhere (because political organization of indian tribes is similar to a primitive form of communism) and at the same time, South America is in the end of its days. Overpopulated, corrupted, narco-terrorism even in the justice system, so what they do to eat something? invade other countries. Unfortunatelly just happens that the USA is the closest one, and that's what they are doing now. They are gonna kill this nation, very fast, and eventually they will move on probably to Canada. Canada will be out of the map much quicker thanks to their socialist system.


It is in the best interest of every American soul to unify, and do something. Organize movements to protest and demand what is right. That's why I tell everybody "Spread the word" tell what you know, teach people about this tragedy. Convince people with the truth. These are no lies, is no bigotry, is just a matter of survival, and TIME is running out.
I am not allowed to give you rep points for this but I would if I could. Your assessment of the S. American situation is straightforward and to the point.
I am very cautiously hopeful that after seeing the annihilation of the United States, perhaps a line in the sand can be drawn at the Canadian border. The terrain on our northern border differs significantly from the border to the south, being heavily forested with lots of high ground and large bodies of water. There is still a sizeable number of Americans who are very comfortable with this type of terrain and will know how to defend it. It will no longer be a matter of wading across the Rio Grande and disappearing into Juarez (or whatever). I hope this will prove to be an advantage for us.
Also, it is always wise to plan ahead. After 9-11 many families and groups of like minded individuals put together plans detailing what they would do in case of an emergency including where they would meet and where they would go for safety. If S. 1348 passes, it may be a good idea to revisit these plans or begin to put a plan together.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:49 AM
 
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Here is a quote from Trent Lott: “Talk radio is running America. We have to deal with that problem”.
Problem? Americans speaking out? Americans joining forces to stop the insane decisions of a few bureaucrats. Americans trying to take back America? These politicians all need to get a wake up call next election. I say anyone voting for amnesty should be run out of office.

I don’t know about where you live, but talk radio in NC is all over this “shamnesty” issue. Everyone is furious and rightly so.

The senate is selling us out. Our future is at stake. These lawbreakers must be stopped before they are allowed to get away with this. No telling how many more laws they will break once they see how easy it is to get away with it.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Trent Lott is a putz.

He's whining because we live in an age where politicians cannot make deals behind closed doors while keeping their constituency completely in the dark. Thanks to talk radio, news people like Lou Dobbs, and the internet, our elected representation can no longer scuttle about in the dark like so many nasty little roaches, conspiring to give our country away while their constituency remains clueless.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:54 AM
 
Location: I live in the highly over populated city of Denver where the illegals thrive.
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Default Never give up hope

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I am not allowed to give you rep points for this but I would if I could. Your assessment of the S. American situation is straightforward and to the point.
I am very cautiously hopeful that after seeing the annihilation of the United States, perhaps a line in the sand can be drawn at the Canadian border. The terrain on our northern border differs significantly from the border to the south, being heavily forested with lots of high ground and large bodies of water. There is still a sizeable number of Americans who are very comfortable with this type of terrain and will know how to defend it. It will no longer be a matter of wading across the Rio Grande and disappearing into Juarez (or whatever). I hope this will prove to be an advantage for us.
Also, it is always wise to plan ahead. After 9-11 many families and groups of like minded individuals put together plans detailing what they would do in case of an emergency including where they would meet and where they would go for safety. If S. 1348 passes, it may be a good idea to revisit these plans or begin to put a plan together.
I hope you know, the U.S.A. will never be annihilated. We are a nation of strength. We just don't know it. We need to treat this like any other plague. Quarantine, find source, annihilate the source, then cure the affected.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:58 AM
 
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I like your optimism, countryfiter. I lived in Denver years ago, great and beautiful city. Then moved up the road to Cheyenne, WY for three years. I listen to Laura Ingraham and Mark Levin on radio from time to time. They will make your ears burn, but they speak the TRUTH!!
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:02 AM
 
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I hope you know, the U.S.A. will never be annihilated. We are a nation of strength. We just don't know it. We need to treat this like any other plague. Quarantine, find source, annihilate the source, then cure the affected.
I hope that you are right and I am wrong. It would be much easier to effectively address the issue if our own government were working with us instead of against us.
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The new Democratic Congress in May began debating an immigration-reform bill aimed at curbing illegal immigration. If Democratic leaders can work with President Bush and their Republican counterparts to enact comprehensive immigration reform, one of the most vexing issues facing our country could be solved.

Few people on either side of the immigration debate are happy with the status quo. Today an estimated 12 million foreign-born people live in the United States without authorization, with the number growing by half a million each year.

Those immigrants fill an important and growing gap in the U.S. labor market. The U.S. economy continues to create hundreds of thousands of jobs each year for lower-skilled workers in such sectors as cleaning, food preparation, landscaping and retail.

At the same time, the pool of Americans who have traditionally filled such jobs continues to shrink as native-born workers become, on average, older and better educated. Yet our immigration system offers no legal channel for peaceful, hardworking if low-skilled workers to enter the country to fill those jobs.

Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. When given the choice of paying a smuggler $2,000, risking robbery and death in the desert, and living a shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit home, or entering the United States through a port of entry with legal documents, enjoying the full responsibility and protection of the law, and the freedom to visit home without fear of being denied re-entry, the large majority of potential entrants will chose the legal path.

We know from experience that legal immigration, if allowed, will crowd out illegal immigration. In the 1950s, the Bracero program allowed Mexican workers to enter the country temporarily, typically to work on farms in the Southwest. Early in that decade, illegal immigration was widespread because the program offered an insufficient number of visas to meet the labor demands of a growing U.S. economy. Instead of merely redoubling efforts to enforce a flawed law, Congress dramatically increased the number of visas to accommodate demand.

The result: Apprehensions of illegal entrants at the border soon dropped by more than 95 percent.

If the goal is to curb illegal immigration, any temporary worker program must offer a sufficient number of visas to meet the legitimate demands of a growing U.S. labor market. The fact that 400,000 to 500,000 foreign-born workers join the U.S. labor force illegally each year indicates the general magnitude of how much demand exceeds the supply of available, legal workers. A temporary-worker program should offer at least that number of visas to allow the revealed demand of American employers to be met legally.

To be effective, an expanded visa program must also be flexible enough to respond to labor-market signals. Union leaders are pressuring Democrats to require that temporary workers be paid "prevailing wages" -- that is, artificially high, union-level wages rather than market wages.

That would be a recipe for failure, since many of the jobs filled by immigrant workers are low-skilled, low-wage jobs that would simply not exist in the legal economy if union-level wages were mandated. Adding cumbersome labor rules will only perpetuate the underground labor market that has been created by the current system.

Demands for restrictive wage rules are based on false fears that increased legal immigration will drive down the wages and working conditions for a broad swath of American workers. But only a small and declining share of the American work force competes against immigrant workers.

According to "The New Americans," the authoritative 1997 National Research Council study of immigration, the only two groups of Americans who face downward wage pressure from immigration are other recent immigrants and native-born Americans without a high-school diploma.

The wage impact on American workers is small. "The weight of the empirical evidence suggests that the impact of immigration on the wages of competing native-born workers is small-possibly reducing them by only 1 or 2 percent," the NRC study concluded.

More recent studies confirm the small impact of low-skilled immigration on competing American workers.

If Congress fails to reform America's immigration laws in a way that reflects the reality of our market economy, the problem of illegal immigration will only grow worse.

Without comprehensive immigration reform, Congress and the administration will waste billions of dollars more trying to enforce an unenforceable law.
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Enforcement FIRST!

Show the American people that you can enforce the existing laws, just as our elected representation, Ted "Bloated Head" Kennedy in particular, promised us in 1986 when they gave amnesty to illegal aliens and promised it would never happen again.

The laws that are in place will work but they must be enforced in order to do so.

I'm sick to death of hearing about "comprehensive immigration reform." We don't need it. We only need our elected officials to enforce the existing law of the land.


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Old 06-17-2007, 11:58 AM
 
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Good Post Kele! Funny cartoon!
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Old 06-17-2007, 03:59 PM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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Instead of merely redoubling efforts to enforce a flawed law, Congress dramatically increased the number of visas to accommodate demand.

The result: Apprehensions of illegal entrants at the border soon dropped by more than 95 percent.
So, basically you feel that by opening the gates, the number of illegal aliens would drop. Isn't that the same as saying we'll just make it legal for anyone that wants to come here? Not an answer to the problem at hand. We have too many already, we don't need more.

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Demands for restrictive wage rules are based on false fears that increased legal immigration will drive down the wages and working conditions for a broad swath of American workers. But only a small and declining share of the American work force competes against immigrant workers.
That is simply not true, based on testimony of many construction workers, laborers, etc.

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Without comprehensive immigration reform, Congress and the administration will waste billions of dollars more trying to enforce an unenforceable law.
With the comprhensive immigration reform offered all we will end up with is more "unenforceable laws" and more red tape. No amnesty, ever, for illegal aliens.
The only reason the majority of Americans are unhappy with the status quo is because the laws are not being enforced. Because the immigration laws are not being enforced we are over-run with illegal aliens.
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The fact that 400,000 to 500,000 foreign-born workers join the U.S. labor force illegally each year indicates the general magnitude of how much demand exceeds the supply of available, legal workers. A temporary-worker program should offer at least that number of visas to allow the revealed demand of American employers to be met legally.
We can not allow unlimited numbers of immigrants into this country. If indeed immigrants fill jobs that there are not enough Americans to fill, then it is possible that we need to consider allowing more immigrants in. Before we can do that we must secure our border and enforce existing immigration laws. Before we can open our gates to more immigrants than we already allow annually we must build our fence (both literally and figuratively). IF we have jobs that can not be filled, I say prove it. Let business put in their request for X-number of immigrants. Let business sponsor these immigrants. Nobody should be allowed across our border unless they can prove they have a job. Chances are if the businesses that are screaming they NEED illegal aliens were to have to sponsor the immigrants they would suddenly shut up and find there are enough Americans to do the work.
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