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Old 06-02-2010, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Newark, NJ
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I went to Puebla, Mexico a few years back to visit some family member. Much to my surprise I saw a seminar set up by Con-Agra foods, Tyson and many of the major American food processing companies promising unbelievavle hourly pay rates and benefits. They even introduced interested clients to "representative" who would explain the whole "travel" portion of the trip.

Anyone who thinks that the individual undocumented immigrant is to blame for this colossal problem is beyond naive.
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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The class of people that support illegal immigration do not care about your money or the state's money (anyone's money) only thier money. When the illegal immigration problem hits their wallets is when they will be on board too. Its funny, most of these people that support illegal immigration are also against earning money.

(I guess you can never get rich while living off of government welfare checks! http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e334/puzzlessue/Emoticons/Speak%20or%20Sign/lazygoodfornothing.gif (broken link) ) (Need some government cheese to go with that whine?)
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Old 06-02-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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I went to Puebla, Mexico a few years back to visit some family member. Much to my surprise I saw a seminar set up by Con-Agra foods, Tyson and many of the major American food processing companies promising unbelievavle hourly pay rates and benefits. They even introduced interested clients to "representative" who would explain the whole "travel" portion of the trip.

Anyone who thinks that the individual undocumented immigrant is to blame for this colossal problem is beyond naive.
Those greedy corporations would not get away with what they are doing if not for their accomplices in this and that is the illegal aliens themselves. They are BOTH guilty of breaking the law.
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Old 06-02-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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Now imagine if we had invested this money in AMERICA for AMERICANS. Education, health care reform, new jobs.....

WAKE UP!
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Old 06-04-2010, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Newark, NJ
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I agree with you and so do most of the elite economists. Former Federal Reserve Chairman A. Greenspan reiterated and reinforced the fact that the undocumented have always been a net gain to the economy.
Most cities with little or no undocumented such as Detroit, Philadelphia and St Louis and compare them to Houston or Dallas where there are more than a million undocumented living in each city. Who is doing better?
The vast number of the undocumented come here to work and they do work hard. They work for less but create wealth for everyone. If it wasn't for them houses here in Houston would cost triple or more. (If we had to pay whitetrash workers who would of course demand higher wages, vacation, workers comp. unions etc, etc. With the money the undocumented have save me with the cost of my house I was able to buy new cars and took several trips to Europe. Now that's wealth creation.

Everything you say is correct. Most of the "anti" crowd are too busy frothing at the mouth and blindly reiterating what was told to them to actually realize or understand what type of specialized economy we have in this country, what it needs to keep it fueled, and refuse to learn anything from history; unless it is from that dunce who is called Glenn Beck or that fraud Hannity and their ilk.

Our specific type of capitalist economy demands millions of unskilled laborers that must be compensated as cheaply as possible. Look at the private home construction industry. Hundreds of thousands of undocumented house framers are payed anywhere between $8 to $10 per hour. They are offered no medical benefits. A contractor who employs between 10 and 12 undocumented framers on his crew can literally save tens of thousands of dollars on one home. If that same contractor hired all legal unionized workers, payed them the prevailing union wage, and made a contribution toward health benefits, that home would now cost $850,000 instead of $450,000.

The same goes for the agriculture industry. If you kick out all of the illegal farm pickers strawberries would cost about $8 a pound. Most illegal farmhands are not even payed minimum wage. Now go out and hire 150,000 American fruit and vegetable pickers; that is, unionized pickers who want a prevailing wage and health benefits, pickers who want two weeks vacation and payed holidays. Say goodbye to $1.50 a pound apples and say hello to apples that cost $7.99 a pound. That is, if we could get scores of Americans to pick fruit. Then, even if we could get thousands to pick fruit, nobody would buy American apples because the imported ones would be ten times cheaper.

The same story goes for the large scale meat packing industries. Purdue and Con Agra knowingly and willingly recruit and hire undocumented immigrants to work in their food plants. The United States government knows this.

If the federal government wanted to stop illegal immigration along the southern border it certainly could muster up the resources. Illegal immigration will never be completely stopped because our capitalist, greed driven economy needs it to function and flourish the way it was designed. Illegal immigration is just one component out of many that shape our uniquely American economic system.

The heat is coming down on illegal immigrants now because the economy is not doing well and we don't need so many of them. If anyone thinks that the aforementioned economic situation is not the main reason for the backlash, he or she is beyond unschooled and naive. Read some history and discover that the same types of things that are happening concerning illegal immigration presently occured during The Great Depression. And once the economy starts booming again the demand for extremely cheap unskilled labor will skyrocket again. The governmenmt will look the other way at the behest of big business and industry and our "hermanitos" from the south will start streaming unchecked across the southern border in larger numbers. Of course ICE will make a few hundred arrests here and raid a few dozen factories there, but it won't be even a drop in the bucket. Gotta keep up appearances, though.

The only pragmatic solution to this problem is to create a system that will allow thousands of unskilled workers to enter the country each year to work. Document them and keep track of them so when their time is up it will be easier to enforce their departure. Allow a certain percentage to stay and become citizens if they meet certain criteria. All that is needed is for Congress to get to work. Oh, and we also need the "anti" crowd to wake up and study the situation and find out the truth about undocumented workers and the dynamics of their community. Sadly, judging from some of the posts on this forum, many seem to just automatically believe what certain ignorant zealots tell them about illegal immigration and mindlessly continue fob it off as the truth.
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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Everything you say is correct. Most of the "anti" crowd are too busy frothing at the mouth and blindly reiterating what was told to them to actually realize or understand what type of specialized economy we have in this country, what it needs to keep it fueled, and refuse to learn anything from history; unless it is from that dunce who is called Glenn Beck or that fraud Hannity and their ilk.

Our specific type of capitalist economy demands millions of unskilled laborers that must be compensated as cheaply as possible. Look at the private home construction industry. Hundreds of thousands of undocumented house framers are payed anywhere between $8 to $10 per hour. They are offered no medical benefits. A contractor who employs between 10 and 12 undocumented framers on his crew can literally save tens of thousands of dollars on one home. If that same contractor hired all legal unionized workers, payed them the prevailing union wage, and made a contribution toward health benefits, that home would now cost $850,000 instead of $450,000.

The same goes for the agriculture industry. If you kick out all of the illegal farm pickers strawberries would cost about $8 a pound. Most illegal farmhands are not even payed minimum wage. Now go out and hire 150,000 American fruit and vegetable pickers; that is, unionized pickers who want a prevailing wage and health benefits, pickers who want two weeks vacation and payed holidays. Say goodbye to $1.50 a pound apples and say hello to apples that cost $7.99 a pound. That is, if we could get scores of Americans to pick fruit. Then, even if we could get thousands to pick fruit, nobody would buy American apples because the imported ones would be ten times cheaper.

The same story goes for the large scale meat packing industries. Purdue and Con Agra knowingly and willingly recruit and hire undocumented immigrants to work in their food plants. The United States government knows this.

If the federal government wanted to stop illegal immigration along the southern border it certainly could muster up the resources. Illegal immigration will never be completely stopped because our capitalist, greed driven economy needs it to function and flourish the way it was designed. Illegal immigration is just one component out of many that shape our uniquely American economic system.

The heat is coming down on illegal immigrants now because the economy is not doing well and we don't need so many of them. If anyone thinks that the aforementioned economic situation is not the main reason for the backlash, he or she is beyond unschooled and naive. Read some history and discover that the same types of things that are happening concerning illegal immigration presently occured during The Great Depression. And once the economy starts booming again the demand for extremely cheap unskilled labor will skyrocket again. The governmenmt will look the other way at the behest of big business and industry and our "hermanitos" from the south will start streaming unchecked across the southern border in larger numbers. Of course ICE will make a few hundred arrests here and raid a few dozen factories there, but it won't be even a drop in the bucket. Gotta keep up appearances, though.

The only pragmatic solution to this problem is to create a system that will allow thousands of unskilled workers to enter the country each year to work. Document them and keep track of them so when their time is up it will be easier to enforce their departure. Allow a certain percentage to stay and become citizens if they meet certain criteria. All that is needed is for Congress to get to work. Oh, and we also need the "anti" crowd to wake up and study the situation and find out the truth about undocumented workers and the dynamics of their community. Sadly, judging from some of the posts on this forum, many seem to just automatically believe what certain ignorant zealots tell them about illegal immigration and mindlessly continue fob it off as the truth.
We take in as many legal immigrants that we can accomodate already. For farm work we have unlimited visas already for that. You leave out so many parts of the equasion buy allowing millions of unskilled, uneducated foreigners in our country that you are only seeing one half of the ledger and the other half tips the scales to a big negative in so many ways. How will Mexico ever get its act together if we continue to import their citizens by the milions?
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:57 PM
 
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The ID theft is outrageous from illegals. I am a fraud investigator for a bank and the amount of ID theft I see from illegals stealing SSN's has increased signifigantly over the last 10 years. I have seen as many as 1000 people using 1 childs SSN and they only found out because they opened a savings account for the child 11 years old and it was discovered. There is NO protection from SSN theft. Multiple credit profiles can be built under the same SSN. They use them for work and to obtain credit and most that I have dealt with feel they did nothing worng and that they are entitled. Not to mention nothing is done about it the unlawful use of the SSN's Which I would like to remind everyone IS A FEDERAL CRIME.. America needs to do something our govenment needs to do something and I am Proud to reside in the state of AZ where someone finally took a stand
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