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Old 06-06-2010, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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So all you can do is support illegal immigration?
Who are you talking to?

Where have I ever "support(ed) illegal immigration?

I simply do not believe that we need to do violence to the US Constitution to prevent it.

 
Old 06-06-2010, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Fort Wayne
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Majority is speaking across this Country. When will illegal aliens and their advocates get the very loud screaming hint?



Bill would end birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants | Local News | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California (http://www.pe.com/localnews/stories/PE_News_Local_D_citizen31.1f87442.html - broken link)

We have many who want this, now we need action.
As, other posters have noted, this bill would require changes in the US Constitution to become legal.And given California's on-going economic crises,it would be ill-advised to enact any legislation that would result in costly litigation.

But when people support a bad idea for a bad reason,it usually takes a lot to talk them out of it.
 
Old 06-06-2010, 01:20 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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You are mixing apples with oranges here. The amendment is about birthright citizenship and has nothing to do with someone becoming naturalized in this country.

the 14th-
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
 
Old 06-06-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer View Post
Something will be done. The status queue isn't working. Amnesty? No way in He((. A path to Citizenship? Maybe, but most won't do it as it would require they assimilate.
Amnesty is a path to citizenship. Slap on the wrist, say you are sorry and become an American. We do not have the manpower to make all the ten's of millions of illegal immigrants go through too many hoops, the immigration courts are already backed up from all their crud as it is.
 
Old 06-06-2010, 02:17 PM
 
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No, it isn't. Your clue is "AND" subject to the jurisdiction. Illegal aliens are not subject to our jurisdiction in the true sense of the word. They are subject to the jurisdiction of their own homelands and so are their offspring.

If they are working here, they are now subject to our jurisdiction. If they spend more than 1 second on US soil, they are now subject to our jurisdiction.

You need to look up the term jurisdiction because we can't be hypocrites when using it.

We can arrest an illegal immigrant who robbed a store, because he is now subject to our jurisdiction and laws, but we can't allow an illegal immigrant, who came across the border, while pregnant, give birth and say that they are not subject to jurisdiction? Can't have it both ways
 
Old 06-06-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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They have never addressed a court case where illegal aliens were involved. The only citizenship case that was ruled on was one that involved a legal immigrant.

false. the issue about citizenship involved a person born on US soil to immigrant parents, who could never become citizens (the Chinese Exclusion Act prevented Chinese to EVER becoming US citizens)

and it was made clear in that ruling (Wong Kim Ark vs US) that anyone born on US soil because of the 14th Amendment was a Natural Born, US Citizen.

Since Wong Kim Ark was of Chinese descent, and Chinese couldn't become citizens through naturalization, the only type of Citizen Wong Kim Ark could be was a Natural Born Citizen.

The courts have been using Wong Kim Ark for nearly 200 years when establish rule on Citizenship.

Its very clear

Born here = US citizen

End of story.
 
Old 06-06-2010, 02:27 PM
 
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thats plain rediculous, how can an amendment to THE CONSTITUTION be un-constitutional.

Im out of here thing just got to wierd.
Uh, you forgot about the Alcohol prohibition set out in the 18th Amendment and later deemed unconstitutional. So guess what Congress has to do in order to correct it? Create a new amendment

18th Amendment (Prohibition) = repealed by the 21st Amendment (stopped prohibition)
 
Old 06-06-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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the 14th-
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
You still didn't answer the question. Why is the word AND there if there isn't other criteria to be met for citizenship?
 
Old 06-06-2010, 05:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Arus View Post
false. the issue about citizenship involved a person born on US soil to immigrant parents, who could never become citizens (the Chinese Exclusion Act prevented Chinese to EVER becoming US citizens)

and it was made clear in that ruling (Wong Kim Ark vs US) that anyone born on US soil because of the 14th Amendment was a Natural Born, US Citizen.

Since Wong Kim Ark was of Chinese descent, and Chinese couldn't become citizens through naturalization, the only type of Citizen Wong Kim Ark could be was a Natural Born Citizen.

The courts have been using Wong Kim Ark for nearly 200 years when establish rule on Citizenship.

Its very clear

Born here = US citizen

End of story.
laws can b changd
anchor baby law
will be going away
no mor birthright citizen shipp
unles one parent is here leagaly
better tha mother

jin crow died
maybe birthright will die to
 
Old 06-06-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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the only way to change the Constitution is an Amendment, but NO one will support that since it will be political suicide to do so (so you're deluded to even think so)

the 14th Amendment has lasted 200 years of court cases and law; no one is going to change it

so deal with it.

dont like our laws, go and Live somewhere else. Like North Korea.
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