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Old 06-03-2010, 08:47 AM
 
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Decent article from Texan summing up my thoughts.

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According to an article by Daniel B. Wood of the Christian Science Monitor, President Obama said, A failure to act at the federal level will only open the door to irresponsibility by others that includes the recent efforts by Arizona which threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans.
You may ask, "Why is that a silly quote?"
It's a silly quote because Arizona's law does nothing to undermine the "basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans." What is fair about letting illegal immigrants come into the country and, as long as they don't get caught, giving them citizenship while thousands of their countrymen who are willing to enter the country legally are waiting or denied entry. Is it fair to all the people who did come into the country legally and worked hard to legally acquire citizenship. Is it fair to honor criminals - and they are criminals - by granting them citizenship? They knowingly broke the law whether they did it by crossing the border illegally or failing to leave the country when a work or education visa expired.
I haven't heard anyone talk about potential consequences of granting amnesty other than to say that it encourages more illegal immigration. Because the majority of illegal immigrants in the Southwest are from Mexico, everyone thinks that is the only group amnesty will affect, but that's not true. We can't grant amnesty to Mexican nationals and deport foreign nationals from other countries. With all the crying about human rights violations from foreign governments when Arizona passed it's law I can imagine the outcry when the first foreign national from the Middle East is deported for having an expired visa after millions of Mexican illegals are granted amnesty.
Amnesty is not the answer to illegal immigration | Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:11 PM
 
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I haven't heard anyone talk about potential consequences of granting amnesty other than to say that it encourages more illegal immigration.
Maybe because it not true. If amensty would potentially encouraged more border crossings, and we dont have amnesty now, what is the encouragement NOW?

Amnesty may not be a solution, or even work as a potential solution...that will be debated; but how can one make the quoted statement without addressing the "encouragement Now" question?
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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Maybe because it not true. If amensty would potentially encouraged more border crossings, and we dont have amnesty now, what is the encouragement NOW?

Amnesty may not be a solution, or even work as a potential solution...that will be debated; but how can one make the quoted statement without addressing the "encouragement Now" question?
The encouragement has been since the last amnesty in 1986. They are coming and waiting for a new amensty. If it is denied this time and it should be they will no longer have that as encouragement.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:19 PM
 
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The encouragement has been since the last amnesty in 1986. They are coming and waiting for a new amensty. If it is denied this time and it should be they will no longer have that as encouragement.
Then the amnesty encourgement already exists and the encouragement will always exist.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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Then the amnesty encourgement already exists and the encouragement will always exist.
Amnesty as encouragement in the future will cease to exist if no further amnesties are granted.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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Amnesty as encouragement in the future will cease to exist if no further amnesties are granted.

And States get laws like AZ's. Plus take away the social service carrot and amend the 14th, DONE DEAL.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:34 PM
 
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I think the best thing would be for the US govt to state clearly and irrevocably that there will never be another amnesty.

and fwiw, maybe they should consider repealing the law which gives Cubans "preferred refugee" status as well - 40 years is long enough, surely?
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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The encouragement is that every few years amnesty is brought to the fore, and those hoping to cash in head for the border. However, once here they don't return when there is no amnesty.
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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The encouragement is that every few years amnesty is brought to the fore, and those hoping to cash in head for the border. However, once here they don't return when there is no amnesty.
Unless the US abolishes the practice of amnesty, then the encouragement will always exist. As chi-nut said the encouragement for aliens comming now is the '86 amnesty.
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Old 06-03-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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I think the best thing would be for the US govt to state clearly and irrevocably that there will never be another amnesty.

and fwiw, maybe they should consider repealing the law which gives Cubans "preferred refugee" status as well - 40 years is long enough, surely?
The U.S. government said that back in 1986. So much for that lie! I agree on the Cuban refugee status also. Enough is enough.
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