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Old 06-08-2010, 12:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TKramar View Post
You come in, legally, and just never leave. You have your visa or whatever, get your license, and let the visa expire. Now you have a license and you're illegal.
For NM, one doesn't even have to come in legally, they can cross over illegally and just as easily be given a NM drivers license. They can first head to the Mexican Consulate to buy the matricula card which is the card issued by that government to people illegally in the USA. They do not have to be citizens of Mexico to purchase the matricula card and fraud is very rampant. The NM drivers license offices will further promote fraud by telling illegals how to get fraudulent proof of residency.

From the FBI's webside:

Federal Bureau of Investigation - Congressional Testimony

The U.S. Government has done an extensive amount of research on the Matricula Consular, to assess its viability as a reliable means of identification. The Department of Justice and the FBI have concluded that the Matricula Consular is not a reliable form of identification, due to the non-existence of any means of verifying the true identity of the card holder. The following are the primary problems with the Matricula Consular that allow criminals to fraudulently obtain the cards:

First, the Government of Mexico has no centralized database to coordinate the issuance of consular ID cards. This allows multiple cards to be issued under the same name, the same address, or with the same photograph.

Second, the Government of Mexico has no interconnected databases to provide intra-consular communication to be able to verify who has or has not applied for or received a consular ID card.

Third, the Government of Mexico issues the card to anyone who can produce a Mexican birth certificate and one other form of identity, including documents of very low reliability. Mexican birth certificates are easy to forge and they are a major item on the product list of the fraudulent document trade currently flourishing across the country and around the world. A September 2002 bust of a document production operation in Washington state illustrated the size of this trade. A huge cache of fake Mexican birth certificates was discovered. It is our belief that the primary reason a market for these birth certificates exists is the demand for fraudulently-obtained Matricula Consular cards.

Fourth, in some locations, when an individual seeking a Matricula Consular is unable to produce any documents whatsoever, he will still be issued a Matricula Consular by the Mexican consular official, if he fills out a questionnaire and satisfies the official that he is who he purports to be.

In addition to being vulnerable to fraud, the Matricula Consular is also vulnerable to forgery. There have been several generations of the card; and even the newest version can be easily replicated, despite its security features. It is our estimate that more than 90 percent of Matricula Consular cards now in circulation are earlier versions of the card, which are little more than simple laminated cards without any security features.

As a result of these problems, there are two major criminal threats posed by the cards, and one potential terrorist threat.

The first criminal threat stems from the fact that the Matricula Consular can be a perfect breeder document for establishing a false identity. It is our understanding that as many as 13 states currently accept the Matricula Consular for the purpose of obtaining a drivers' license. Once in possession of a driver's license, a criminal is well on his way to using the false identity to facilitate a variety of crimes, from money laundering to check fraud. And of course, the false identity serves to conceal a criminal who is already being sought by law enforcement. Individuals have been arrested with multiple Matricula Consular cards in their possession, each with the same photograph, but with a different name. Matching these false Matriculas are false driver's licenses, also found in the criminals' possession. Such false identities are particularly useful to facilitate the crime of money laundering, as the criminal is able to establish one or more bank accounts under completely fictitious names. Accounts based upon such fraudulent premises greatly hamper money-laundering investigations once the criminal activity is discovered. As the Subcommittee is well aware, the FBI is particularly concerned about fraudulent financial transactions in the post 9/11 environment, given the fact that foreign terrorists often rely on money transferred from within the United States.


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Old 06-08-2010, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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I had an accident in TX several years ago, caused by a car with four illegals in it. Both cars were totaled. Of course they had no insurance. Both cars would still run, and they tried to escape, but I tracked them in my car and called the police. Last time I saw them, they were being carted off in a police car.
I'm sure they were given the most severe of all penalties......they were sent back to Mexico.....soon to jumping the border again
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:26 AM
 
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Here is an example of how well known the NM drivers license is among those who cannot obtain a drivers license in another state:

Real drivers license for the Undocumented - DREAM Act Portal Forum

The ease of obtaining a NM drivers license is very widely known and discussed. A lot of illegals just go to NM even though they can use their Mexican drivers licenses to drive because it's easier than renewing their Mexican licenses -- much cheaper too.
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:44 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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of course there are plenty, but there are plenty of criminals here legally as well, it doesn't mean we need to encourage or even allow more. We have enough problems with low lifes that are citizens, I don't see any reason to add to the problems.

Nita
Good Points but so true. We have enough of our own problems with fellow citizens, we do not need the added burden of dealing with the likes of those people who come here by illegal means, and demand rights, they should not receive. Yes we have our own criminal's to deal with we really do not need cirminal's that are here illegally commiting crimes and yes sometimes even murder. Illegals are a burden to our Economy and to our Country, we do not need the added expense that comes along, with housing and taking care of illegals. This situation will only get worse, if we sit back now, and allow not a thing to happen.
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Old 06-08-2010, 03:42 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Hmm - so basically there's ZERO excuse for illegals to be driving without a license - but wait, if they were to get that license legally they'd have to actually LIVE in the states that issue those, and they wouldn't like that many illegals in their backyards would they?
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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Hmm - so basically there's ZERO excuse for illegals to be driving without a license - but wait, if they were to get that license legally they'd have to actually LIVE in the states that issue those, and they wouldn't like that many illegals in their backyards would they?
There is zero excuse but a lot of them don't want to make the small effort of getting a NM license even though it's very simple to do. A lot do though - they can make a short visit to NM and get the drivers license and then use it anywhere else in the USA they please.
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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Even though our main reason for moving out of NM was to be closer to family and even though we miss a lot of what NM had to offer, it is exactly things like this that was the final straw. There were just too many similar concerns we had about the state.

Nita
Nita, I hear you--and I share several of those concerns.
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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But I thought we had 57 states?
You mean we don't?!?
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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From that article:



More proof that Mexico is pimping the U.S. and our dummy politicians are allowing it to happen.
And......people should actually take the time to take a look at Mexico's DRACONIAN immigration laws!

Biggest bunch of hypocrites I ever saw!
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Old 06-08-2010, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Where I live.
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States Rights.

If the people of New Mexico want to extend to all persons the privilage of a driver's lincence, then it is their business.
The PEOPLE of NM do NOT want to extent to all persons the privilage [sic] of a driver's license.

The PTB of NM apparently do. NM and any other state that allows illegal alien @#$%*#$s! to get a DL are just total idiots.

Enablers and coddlers....
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