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Old 06-06-2010, 06:41 PM
 
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I think a lot of it has to do with what part of the country you live in. Here in southern California, and the rest of the Southwest, we have seen first hand the huge impact of this issue over the last 20 years. The rest of the country didn't have a clue until recently when the numbers of illegals soared in places like Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, etc. Coincidentally(?), it was when these areas first became affected that the government finally started doing something (as little and as late as it was)

As a native Californian, Hispanic-Americans have always been a part of our community. To call everyone who is against illegal immigration "racist" is ignorant at best and reprehensible at worst. There is a huge difference between Americans of Hispanic ancestry and the wave upon wave of recent Illegal immigrants.

Just in the last 15 years or so, I have seen a huge increase in the non-English speaking population. They are almost uniformly poor and uneducated. They have brought crime, gangs, and graffitti into once decent neighborhoods. This is not necessarily a comment on their ethnicity. The fact is, middle class people don't want to live with poor people, whatever their color or ethnic background. This is an aspect of the issue that has been completely ignored. If southern California had been invaded by millions of alcoholic, meth taking, poor white trash instead of illegal Mexicans and Central Americans, the response would be pretty much the same.
Except that no one, and I mean NO one, would be declaring any of our cities to be sanctuaries for millions of "poor white trash"!
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Old 06-06-2010, 06:43 PM
 
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I think a lot of it has to do with what part of the country you live in. Here in southern California, and the rest of the Southwest, we have seen first hand the huge impact of this issue over the last 20 years. The rest of the country didn't have a clue until recently when the numbers of illegals soared in places like Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, etc. Coincidentally(?), it was when these areas first became affected that the government finally started doing something (as little and as late as it was)

As a native Californian, Hispanic-Americans have always been a part of our community. To call everyone who is against illegal immigration "racist" is ignorant at best and reprehensible at worst. There is a huge difference between Americans of Hispanic ancestry and the wave upon wave of recent Illegal immigrants.

Just in the last 15 years or so, I have seen a huge increase in the non-English speaking population. They are almost uniformly poor and uneducated. They have brought crime, gangs, and graffitti into once decent neighborhoods. This is not necessarily a comment on their ethnicity. The fact is, middle class people don't want to live with poor people, whatever their color or ethnic background. This is an aspect of the issue that has been completely ignored. If southern California had been invaded by millions of alcoholic, meth taking, poor white trash instead of illegal Mexicans and Central Americans, the response would be pretty much the same.
Well said. I can relate to the recent epidemic. I didn't even know about illegal aliens until I began seeing changes in my area recently. It's a pity.
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:09 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I think a lot of it has to do with what part of the country you live in. Here in southern California, and the rest of the Southwest, we have seen first hand the huge impact of this issue over the last 20 years. The rest of the country didn't have a clue until recently when the numbers of illegals soared in places like Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, etc. Coincidentally(?), it was when these areas first became affected that the government finally started doing something (as little and as late as it was)

As a native Californian, Hispanic-Americans have always been a part of our community. To call everyone who is against illegal immigration "racist" is ignorant at best and reprehensible at worst. There is a huge difference between Americans of Hispanic ancestry and the wave upon wave of recent Illegal immigrants.

Just in the last 15 years or so, I have seen a huge increase in the non-English speaking population. They are almost uniformly poor and uneducated. They have brought crime, gangs, and graffitti into once decent neighborhoods. This is not necessarily a comment on their ethnicity. The fact is, middle class people don't want to live with poor people, whatever their color or ethnic background. This is an aspect of the issue that has been completely ignored. If southern California had been invaded by millions of alcoholic, meth taking, poor white trash instead of illegal Mexicans and Central Americans, the response would be pretty much the same.
Other than Native[First] Californians, Hispanics founded many of the cities in "California". and have been crossing back and forth for generations. The concept of restricted immigration is new. The movement of peoples about the Southwestren US has been going on for eons. and will continue for eons...
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:19 PM
 
Location: California
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Other than Native[First] Californians, Hispanics founded many of the cities in "California". and have been crossing back and forth for generations. The concept of restricted immigration is new. The movement of peoples about the Southwestren US has been going on for eons. and will continue for eons...

Should we abolish borders?
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:38 PM
 
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Other than Native[First] Californians, Hispanics founded many of the cities in "California". and have been crossing back and forth for generations. The concept of restricted immigration is new. The movement of peoples about the Southwestren US has been going on for eons. and will continue for eons...
The Spaniards did, not the Mestizos of Mexico. We have had immigration laws for nearly 100 years now it is nothing new. What has the movement of people within the southwestern U.S. have to do with our border with Mexico?
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Old 06-06-2010, 09:06 PM
 
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Other than Native[First] Californians, Hispanics founded many of the cities in "California". and have been crossing back and forth for generations. The concept of restricted immigration is new. The movement of peoples about the Southwestren US has been going on for eons. and will continue for eons...
nope
tha fence is goin up
mexico wil cry soon
some fools wil try to cross
but wil die in tha desert
oh well
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