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Old 06-09-2010, 01:20 PM
 
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^ that's an excellent post.
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Old 12-28-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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I see on the news that a illegal Hispanic murdered a police officer in California, Very sad thing. It showed a picture of him his wife and little boy by the Christmas. And of course this couldn't happen if the murderer was is his home country where he belongs.


Build the wall build it high build it tall, enforce the law
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Old 01-03-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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I see on the news that a illegal Hispanic murdered a police officer in California, Very sad thing. It showed a picture of him his wife and little boy by the Christmas. And of course this couldn't happen if the murderer was is his home country where he belongs.


Build the wall build it high build it tall, enforce the law
The wall will need to be surrounded underground and for yards outward by landmines....and constructed with electrified barbwire along the top....to Truely keep anyone from attempting or actually breaching it.

Will Mexico pay for the landmines that need to be buried in their Countries soil as well as for the Wall itself?
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Illegals do pay sales taxes which fund various things.


I just want to add that I don't think the article is approving of illegal immigration. They are just disputing this particular argument that illegal immigration hurts jobs and wages in the ways that many believe.





I have lived and worked in a resort community that had a large contingent of people from Brazil, most were legal and some were not. I was a property manager/handy man for 24 houses on the island many of which were rented to Brazilians and most of them were good people but some were not. They all loaded up the houses to reduce the rent on each person but it put a lot of stress and wear and tear on the property. Through the years I heard all kinds of stories about why there were extra mattresses on the floors in the bedrooms and 5 cars and 2 scooters in the driveway and on the lawn. It seems that there was always someones "cousin" visiting for a week or 2 that stretched into months.



Worker wages on the island dropped as did the quality of work in the building trades to landscaping.

I knew one guy a finish carpenter that lost his house, was forced to move and eventually killed himself.

I knew another guy from Brazil that had his own business, became a US citizen, bought a house and when the recession hit his work dried up as competition drove the prices down and he ended up losing it all and going back to Brazil.

The illegal aliens caused the typical problems, coming and going, flying under the radar of law enforcement and leaving a mess behind when the law did catch up to them. One guy that was a "cousin" that we had rented to without knowing he was illegal trashed the place, skipped out and the last I heard of him he was serving time in Florida for some type of human trafficking/smuggling he was involved in.



The Legal migrants have really changed the fabric of this island but it was the Illegal ones that really caused problems. I know that my experience is small but it happens all over America and real people are victims of illegal immigration.
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Old 01-03-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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The wall will need to be surrounded underground and for yards outward by landmines....and constructed with electrified barbwire along the top....to Truely keep anyone from attempting or actually breaching it.

Will Mexico pay for the landmines that need to be buried in their Countries soil as well as for the Wall itself?



The good walls in place already don't have any of the above and yet they are working very effectively. Why would Mexico want to willingly pay to keep their citizens out of our country when they want them to come here illegally to enrich the elite in the Mexican government?
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Old 01-03-2019, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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At this current juncture the demand in the US for low-skill labor exceeds supply and as such a strong argument can be made to support an increase in low-skill immigration (preferably legal).

However, looking into the not-so-distant future this wonít be the case. More and more of these jobs will be eliminated due to automation in the next 5-10 years to the point where I donít think it will be a feasible long-term play.

Example - once fully autonomous vehicles become commonplace, which WILL happen sooner than later, suddenly several million jobs will disappear...Iím looking at you truck drivers, taxi drivers, Uber/Lyft drivers, etc. etc.

Factory, farming, recruiters and call center jobs are on the same boat due to automation and other technological advances. There is no long-term future for you in many of these job categories.

Iím pro-immigrant and globalism in general but this is a fact I simply cannot ignore.
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Old 01-03-2019, 03:37 PM
 
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If the presence of illegals here creates demand for products and services, thus creating jobs and growing the economy, then why didn't it have that effect in their home country? The Honduran migrant had the same needs for food, clothing and shelter in Honduras.
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:22 PM
 
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If the presence of illegals here creates demand for products and services, thus creating jobs and growing the economy, then why didn't it have that effect in their home country? The Honduran migrant had the same needs for food, clothing and shelter in Honduras.





SHHH you are not supposed to point that out..



I guess Trump was right when he said "they are not sending their best and brightest"... Of course not.

How many Doctors, engineers, and others that have worked hard in their fields and have achieved success are in the caravans of "migrants"?

The answer is none because the successful people are living and working back in the home country.



I don't know how well off you are but could you pack up your entire life to carry on your back and trek a few thousand miles to Canada? Most people couldn't do that unless everything they owned was burned up in a fire like we saw in California recently or if your country is enduring an all out war and you are fleeing for your life.





Here is a question for the Pro illegal alien crowd.



An illegal alien is here to work, he gets up on your roof with a crew to reshingle and he falls off, goes to the hospital where he is put back together and walks home with a huge hospital bill he cannot pay. The guy that employed him paid him under the table, no insurance, no workers comp, no taxes, no Social security. How does the injured guy pay his bill ? Does he sue the boss, Does he sue you because he fell off your roof? Does the hospital eat the bill meaning that it is passed on to the rest of us to pay while the illegal alien moves to another city and steals another identity... It happens but we are not supposed to talk about that.
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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At this current juncture the demand in the US for low-skill labor exceeds supply and as such a strong argument can be made to support an increase in low-skill immigration (preferably legal).

However, looking into the not-so-distant future this wonít be the case. More and more of these jobs will be eliminated due to automation in the next 5-10 years to the point where I donít think it will be a feasible long-term play.

Example - once fully autonomous vehicles become commonplace, which WILL happen sooner than later, suddenly several million jobs will disappear...Iím looking at you truck drivers, taxi drivers, Uber/Lyft drivers, etc. etc.

Factory, farming, recruiters and call center jobs are on the same boat due to automation and other technological advances. There is no long-term future for you in many of these job categories.

Iím pro-immigrant and globalism in general but this is a fact I simply cannot ignore.

While I agree with your comments about the future I haven't seen any proof that there is a shortage of low skilled Americans to work any job for a fair wage. If that were true then we would have increased visas for foreigners to come and do those types of jobs, wouldn't we? Since we haven't that tells me there is no shortage of American workers.
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Old 01-03-2019, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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While I agree with your comments about the future I haven't seen any proof that there is a shortage of low skilled Americans to work any job for a fair wage. If that were true then we would have increased visas for foreigners to come and do those types of jobs, wouldn't we? Since we haven't that tells me there is no shortage of American workers.
You can start here: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/lns14000000
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/2389670002
http://www.virginiabusiness.com/news...el-labor-pains
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.met...emplate=ampart
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...rkers.amp.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ten.../amp/792293002
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...yment.amp.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fre...amp/1933709002
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.fox7a...al-restaurants
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pen...outputType=amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/denver....staurants/amp/
https://www.wfae.org/post/what-charl...rtage#stream/0
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...-shortage/amp/
https://finance-commerce.com/2018/12...-labor-market/
http://m.startribune.com/state-manuf...oms/482969171/

The shortage is real and will exist regardless of the current status of the (cough...disfunctional immigration system)....hence the 12 million people in the country illegally and many of which are working said low-skill jobs. That’s how supply and demand works.

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