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Old 01-03-2019, 04:53 PM
 
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As I said, if there truly is a shortage of blue-collared American workers then why haven't we created more visas for legal foreign workers? Until there is an answer to that question then I'm skeptical. What about all those construction workers that lost their jobs to illegal aliens? There was no shortage of Americans to do those jobs. Commercial landscaping comes to mind also and entry level jobs for our American youth. There was no shortage of Americans to do those jobs either when illegal aliens started flooding our borders years ago.


At any rate that doesn't justify the employers breaking the law by hiring illegal aliens. We all know it's all about greed on their part anyway not a true labor shortage of Americans. Many Americans had to move on from the blue-collared jobs they loved because of this massive supply of cheap, illegal labor and move on to something else.
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Old 01-03-2019, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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As I said, if there truly is a shortage of blue-collared American workers then why haven't we created more visas for legal foreign workers? Until there is an answer to that question then I'm skeptical. What about all those construction workers that lost their jobs to illegal aliens? There was no shortage of Americans to do those jobs. Commercial landscaping comes to mind also and entry level jobs for our American youth. There was no shortage of Americans to do those jobs either when illegal aliens started flooding our borders years ago.


At any rate that doesn't justify the employers breaking the law by hiring illegal aliens. We all know it's all about greed on their part anyway not a true labor shortage of Americans.
Come on now. Your question appears to be made under the assumption that our elected leaders are making decisions based on logic and reason (including respecting the laws of economics). You and I both know that isn’t the case.
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Old 01-03-2019, 08:31 PM
 
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Come on now. Your question appears to be made under the assumption that our elected leaders are making decisions based on logic and reason (including respecting the laws of economics). You and I both know that isnít the case.

Actually, if these businesses that claim they can't find enough American blue-collared workers at a fair wage it should be they that should be making their needs known to our elected leaders and asking them to increase or create new visas for foreign workers but they aren't. Are you claiming that they would just ignore these business owner's requests? Why would they do that? No, these business owners aren't letting our leaders know because they know their claims are false and that they just want to hire cheap, illegal workers instead to increase their profits. And that's the bottom line.
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Old 01-03-2019, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Actually, if these businesses that claim they can't find enough American blue-collared workers at a fair wage it should be they that should be making their needs known to our elected leaders and asking them to increase or create new visas for foreign workers but they aren't. Are you claiming that they would just ignore these business owner's requests? Why would they do that? No, these business owners aren't letting our leaders know because they know their claims are false and that they just want to hire cheap, illegal workers instead to increase their profits. And that's the bottom line.
Itís still a relatively new issue and Iím certain that it will happen if the current employment trend continues, and will be accelerated the more this administration restricts legal immigration.
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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Itís still a relatively new issue and Iím certain that it will happen if the current employment trend continues, and will be accelerated the more this administration restricts legal immigration.

This administration hasn't changed the annual quotas for legal immigration. They have just restricted those from known terrorists countries. They also want the visa lottery and chain migration stopped and that will benefit our own citizens. Since you admit that many blue-collared jobs will be automated in the future and then there's the problem of outsourcing why import more low skilled people right now? What do we do with them when the above problems become critical? They'd end up on the public dole. The remaining blue-collared jobs that can't be automated or outsourced should go to our own citizens. Not everyone is cut out to be a white collared worker and can't afford a good education for those types of jobs.


We should only be importing those who are educated and have professional skills that we need and even at that it must be a real need not bringing them over here just to replace Americans at a lower wage.


How long has this so-called blue-collared worker shortage been going on? If it's been for some then what have the employers been waiting for in requesting visas for legal workers? Of course they haven't because of the constant supply of cheap illegal workers and that's one of the reasons we need to secure our border so that fewer of these cheap illegal workers can get through.
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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The wall will need to be surrounded underground and for yards outward by landmines....and constructed with electrified barbwire along the top....to Truely keep anyone from attempting or actually breaching it.

Will Mexico pay for the landmines that need to be buried in their Countries soil as well as for the Wall itself?
whatever it takes to keep America safe from illegals do it.
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Old 01-04-2019, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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This administration hasn't changed the annual quotas for legal immigration. They have just restricted those from known terrorists countries. They also want the visa lottery and chain migration stopped and that will benefit our own citizens. Since you admit that many blue-collared jobs will be automated in the future and then there's the problem of outsourcing why import more low skilled people right now? What do we do with them when the above problems become critical? They'd end up on the public dole. The remaining blue-collared jobs that can't be automated or outsourced should go to our own citizens. Not everyone is cut out to be a white collared worker and can't afford a good education for those types of jobs.


We should only be importing those who are educated and have professional skills that we need and even at that it must be a real need not bringing them over here just to replace Americans at a lower wage.


How long has this so-called blue-collared worker shortage been going on? If it's been for some then what have the employers been waiting for in requesting visas for legal workers? Of course they haven't because of the constant supply of cheap illegal workers and that's one of the reasons we need to secure our border so that fewer of these cheap illegal workers can get through.
The Ďconstant supply of cheap laborí is there but the number of illegal immigrants living in the US has been on the decline since 2007-ish.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewre...e-u-s/%3famp=1
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Old 01-04-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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The problem is not a shortage of workers, it is a shortage of paychecks. The businesses donít want to pay what it costs to do business.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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The ‘constant supply of cheap labor’ is there but the number of illegal immigrants living in the US has been on the decline since 2007-ish.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewre...e-u-s/%3famp=1

Get back with us when there are no longer millions of them still here and thousands not pouring over our border every month.


From you link it stated that there has been a decline of Mexicans coming here but an increase in Central Americans so what's the difference?


Also, according to your link there are still 10.7 million illegal aliens in our country that's a lot of cheap, illegal labor available.

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Old 01-04-2019, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Get back with us when there are no longer millions of them still here and thousands not pouring over our border every month.


From you link it stated that there has been a decline of Mexicans coming here but an increase in Central Americans so what's the difference?


Also, according to your link there are still 10.7 million illegal aliens in our country that's a lot of cheap, illegal labor available.
The overall number is on the decline. The number of those seeking illegal entry is also nowhere near where it was a decade ago. Yeah..10.7 million illegal immigrants living in the country is a massive issue....nobody is arguing otherwise. I’ve been a proponent for comprehensive immigration reform going back to the George W. Bush/Vicente Fox days. I’ve also spoken of the employment and E-Verify issue on here several times.

Where you and I differ in opinion is on US’s employment picture and the impact immigration (both legal and illegal) has on it and also on what should be done about the illegal immigration population currently in the country, many of which have been living and paying into tax coffers here for 10, 20+ years. We also differ on what should be done about border security and the level of threat that immigration presents for the country.

I don’t want US/Mexico to become like Israel/Palestine....whereas you seem to want this.
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