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Old 01-04-2019, 05:00 PM
 
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The Ďconstant supply of cheap laborí is there but the number of illegal immigrants living in the US has been on the decline since 2007-ish.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewre...e-u-s/%3famp=1

What difference does a decline make when there are 10.7 million illegal aliens still in our country? I'm not getting your point.
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Old 01-04-2019, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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What difference does a decline make when there are 10.7 million illegal aliens still in our country? I'm not getting your point.
That was in your response that we have a constant flow of cheap illegal workers....which isnít true given that for years now we have had a net loss of illegal immigrants.

Iíll use a bathtub metaphor. Imagine there is a bathtub which represents the United States, the full point represents the current demand for low-skill labor and the illegal immigration population is water in the bath tub (10.7 million people based on that link I shared). The way I see it the bath tub is currently 3/4 full and is slowly leaking.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:01 PM
 
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That was in your response that we have a constant flow of cheap illegal workers....which isnít true given that for years now we have had a net loss of illegal immigrants.

Iíll use a bathtub metaphor. Imagine there is a bathtub which represents the United States, the full point represents the current demand for low-skill labor and the illegal immigration population is water in the bath tub (10.7 million people based on that link I shared). The way I see it the bath tub is currently 3/4 full and is slowly leaking.

We still have thousands pouring over our border every month. I'd stay that equates to a constant flow of cheap, illegal labor. Unless this flow is stopped there will always be water in the bathtub to use your analogy no matter if it is slowly leaking. Why defend illegal immigration at all? As I said before, if there truly is a shortage of American workers then we can create more visas for foreigners to work here. Illegal immigration is unacceptable.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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We still have thousands pouring over our border every month. I'd stay that equates to a constant flow of cheap, illegal labor. Unless this flow is stopped there will always be water in the bathtub to use your analogy no matter if it is slowly leaking. Why defend illegal immigration at all? As I said before, if there truly is a shortage of American workers then we can create more visas for foreigners to work here. Illegal immigration is unacceptable.
The number leaving the country exceeds the number entering....thus itís a net loss.
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Old 01-04-2019, 07:12 PM
 
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The number leaving the country exceeds the number entering....thus itís a net loss.

I can show you pics of them streaming here by the thousands. Can you show me any pics of them leaving?



The dirty little secret is they aren't leaving, even if you believe the total illegal population dropped from 12.1 million in 2012 to 11.1 million in 2017. They are legalizing, marrying citizens and having anchor baby citizens come of age and sponsor them for green cards.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I can show you pics of them streaming here by the thousands. Can you show me any pics of them leaving?



The dirty little secret is they aren't leaving, even if you believe the total illegal population dropped from 12.1 million in 2012 to 11.1 million in 2017. They are legalizing, marrying citizens and having anchor baby citizens come of age and sponsor them for green cards.
Alot are returning. Some are able to legalize too, sure. Isnít that the goal though?
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Old 01-05-2019, 12:10 AM
 
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Alot are returning. Some are able to legalize too, sure. Isnít that the goal though?

Not my goal. Show me some collaborating evidence of them returning, besides advocacy group estimates all based on the same census data set. Show me how a million people allegedly returned in last decade when the population data shows net outwards migration for Mexico and Central America every year in that period.
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Old 01-05-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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Not my goal. Show me some collaborating evidence of them returning, besides advocacy group estimates all based on the same census data set. Show me how a million people allegedly returned in last decade when the population data shows net outwards migration for Mexico and Central America every year in that period.
I already cited a source earlier in the thread.
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Old 01-05-2019, 10:12 AM
 
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I already cited a source earlier in the thread.

I had asked for "some collaborating evidence of them returning, besides advocacy group estimates all based on the same census data set". Your source, Pew, is such a group and it is based on census data (last full census 2010), as is CIS.



Try again. Maybe some Mexican or Central American data in how they are dealing with a net inflow of returning migrants. That would surely put a strain on their weak social services and economy. But you can't because all the data continue to show those countries have net negative migration, as in more of their population is leaving than returning.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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I had asked for "some collaborating evidence of them returning, besides advocacy group estimates all based on the same census data set". Your source, Pew, is such a group and it is based on census data (last full census 2010), as is CIS.



Try again. Maybe some Mexican or Central American data in how they are dealing with a net inflow of returning migrants. That would surely put a strain on their weak social services and economy. But you can't because all the data continue to show those countries have net negative migration, as in more of their population is leaving than returning.
Let’s not convolute overall net migration from a country like Mexico with the population of undocumented immigrants within the U.S. which is from many countries other than Mexico.
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