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Old 06-09-2010, 10:32 AM
 
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Thank God Puerto Rico is not going to become the 51st state anytime soon, it would really complicate things as far as language issues are concerned. If that ever happens, we'll need to consult with Canadians on how they manage to deal with Québec. And for this reason is why I'm against Puerto Rico being the 51st state, it's just gonna complicate too many things for both of our people
It really isn't that hard. Lots of countries are multi-lingual .... Switzerland, Belgium, Finland, Canada, even the UK to name but a few. In many respects it reflects the confidence they have in their own national identity that they are comfortable with linguistic differences.

 
Old 06-09-2010, 10:35 AM
 
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Are you purposely being dense? Employments ads requiring an applicant to speak Spanish in order to get a job in this country is discriminating against native English speakers when the fact is that the reason they want a Spanish speaker is to be able to communicate with illegal aliens. As I said, most Hispanic Americans are bi-lingual so there is no reason to have to communicate with them in Spanish.
I agree. There was never a demand for Spanish until illegal aliens spread like wildfire the past 10 years.

International businesses use English, not any other language, and certainly not Spanish.

Anytime I see a want ad for positions with bilingual proficiency, I suspect the employer hire illegal aliens.
 
Old 06-09-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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It really isn't that hard. Lots of countries are multi-lingual .... Switzerland, Belgium, Finland, Canada, even the UK to name but a few. In many respects it reflects the confidence they have in their own national identity that they are comfortable with linguistic differences.
What do all these countries have in common? They are very liberal, some bordering on socialist, countries that believe in the multiculturalism myth, America is not one of those countries. And if you want to be technical about it, the whole of the EU should be counted and that's starting to rip apart at the seams, so before we stray off topic, this is a majority English speaking nation and therefore, everyone living OUTSIDE of Puerto Rico must learn to speak English. I did, Spanish is my native language, what's so darn hard about immigrants learning English??
 
Old 06-09-2010, 10:47 AM
 
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I agree. There was never a demand for Spanish until illegal aliens spread like wildfire the past 10 years.

International businesses use English, not any other language, and certainly not Spanish.

Anytime I see a want ad for positions with bilingual proficiency, I suspect the employer hire illegal aliens.
This is incorrect. Yes, a German business might have people who speak English but the guy who also speaks German has more chance of getting the contract. In addition, most countries expect you to provide product labels and technical literature in their languages. So, if you want to sell into Latin America then it needs to be in Spanish. If you want to sell into Japan then better have Japanese.

Of course, we could always outsource the language work overseas

Like I said earlier, this is an issue with context not with languages as such.
 
Old 06-09-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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What do all these countries have in common? They are very liberal, some bordering on socialist, countries that believe in the multiculturalism myth, America is not one of those countries. And if you want to be technical about it, the whole of the EU should be counted and that's starting to rip apart at the seams, so before we stray off topic, this is a majority English speaking nation and therefore, everyone living OUTSIDE of Puerto Rico must learn to speak English. I did, Spanish is my native language, what's so darn hard about immigrants learning English??
This is a really dumb comment and shows zero understanding of these countries. Switzerland, for example, has been "multi-cultural" for centuries and just happens to have a higher per capita GDP than we do.

Nobody is attacking the concept that the US is an English speaking country with the exception of Puerto Rico. The point is that multi-lingualism is not a weakness. Being afraid to grant Puerto Rico statehood on language grounds demonstrates a deep seated insecurity in our own identity
 
Old 06-09-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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This is incorrect. Yes, a German business might have people who speak English but the guy who also speaks German has more chance of getting the contract. In addition, most countries expect you to provide product labels and technical literature in their languages. So, if you want to sell into Latin America then it needs to be in Spanish. If you want to sell into Japan then better have Japanese.
Print is another matter, but I'm not speaking about that. I was in the field. I know when we met with international businesses, only English was used across all communication.
 
Old 06-09-2010, 10:55 AM
 
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Print is another matter, but I'm not speaking about that. I was in the field. I know when we met with international businesses, only English was used across all communication.
Yeah ... but what did they speak at the meeting before the meeting around the water cooler or coffee machine?
 
Old 06-09-2010, 10:58 AM
 
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Because speaking another language expands your horizons and makes you more useful to employers and to the country.

It doesn't have to be Spanish you know.
True, but American Citizens shouldn't HAVE to learn another language to appease immigrants, legal or illegal. That's the point.
 
Old 06-09-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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This is a really dumb comment and shows zero understanding of these countries. Switzerland, for example, has been "multi-cultural" for centuries and just happens to have a higher per capita GDP than we do.

Nobody is attacking the concept that the US is an English speaking country with the exception of Puerto Rico. The point is that multilingualism is not a weakness. Being afraid to grant Puerto Rico statehood on language grounds demonstrates a deep seated insecurity in our own identity
Yeah, I was born in Puerto Rico and so have my parents, grandparents and great grandparents, and deep seated insecure identity crisis is far from what I feel. And yes multi-lingualism is a weakness. That's why the federal government in Ottawa continuely has to pander to the French in Québec because they cry secession if they don't get their way, the different groups in Spain (by the way I'm a minority member subgroup of the Spanish, Galicians) all wrestle with Madrid with cultural and languages issues, in particular Catalonia (which also has an independence movement), Belgium is on breaking point between Walloon and Flemish people, the Welsh and Scottish keep crying to Westminster they want independence unless Westminster (aka England) gives them x, y, and z at the cost to the English. Yeah, multilingualism is not a weakness

As for Switzerland having a higher GDP per capita than we do, did you ever think how many 3rd world immigrants Switzerland imports? Very few, the Swiss are successful and have a high GDP per capita NOT because of their multilingualism, but because they don't have 3rd world minorities dragging down their figures. That's why our GDP per capita suffers because we have an extremely high number of poor immigrants and minorities in this country, and with 300 million people, it pales in comparison to the 7.7 million the Swiss have, therefore there are much less variables to consider in Switzerland
 
Old 06-09-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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True, but American Citizens shouldn't HAVE to learn another language to appease immigrants, legal or illegal. That's the point.
I agree with that. As I said, it is a question of context not a question of languages. But, as usual on CD, it becomes an all or nothing argument. English is good other languages are bad. Puerto Rico speaks Spanish so they should not get statehood.

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