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Old 04-09-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Hoyvík, Faroe Islands
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WOOT! New particle found!

If it is confirmed, Illinois won the race and now is on the map for particle physics!

This may be one of the most important discoveries humanity has made.

Yeah, the title line is a little bummed rush. It would be better if it said Fermilab beat CERN.
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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Does this mean that Fermilab will not close as I thought it was planned?
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Old 04-09-2011, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Does this mean that Fermilab will not close as I thought it was planned?
I did not hear anything about it closing.
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Old 04-09-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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Fermilab closing its Tevatron in September - Chicago Tribune

I heard they were closing the tevatron in sept. If it ever goes away, I hope they keep it as open space, it is a major migratory bird stop-over. Some rare ones in there for all you bird-watchers. Although I have heard nothing since January about it closing either.
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Old 04-09-2011, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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lol, there's no "race" in particle physics. if you look at publications coming out of LHC, the author lists contain more than 20 names from equally as many countries.

i understand the excitement that this is all being done in our backyard, but particle physics is among the most cooperative field in science because of the fact that it can be done in only so many places.

anyway, cool story to read. if the Higgs boson really is discovered and can be easily manipulated, prepare for teleportation (among many other viable technologies).
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Old 04-09-2011, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Hoyvík, Faroe Islands
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lol, there's no "race" in particle physics. if you look at publications coming out of LHC, the author lists contain more than 20 names from equally as many countries.

i understand the excitement that this is all being done in our backyard, but particle physics is among the most cooperative field in science because of the fact that it can be done in only so many places.

anyway, cool story to read. if the Higgs boson really is discovered and can be easily manipulated, prepare for teleportation (among many other viable technologies).
There is a certain pride in which lab finds it.

I think you should reevaluate what you are hoping for from the Higgs Boson. Teleportation isn't going to happen any time soon and the particle from Fermilab is not Higgs like, which is even more impressive.
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Old 04-09-2011, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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There is a certain pride in which lab finds it.

I think you should reevaluate what you are hoping for from the Higgs Boson. Teleportation isn't going to happen any time soon and the particle from Fermilab is not Higgs like, which is even more impressive.
Maybe, but I know plenty of Fermilab scientists have gone to work at the LHC so I guess they don't really care much about pride.

Yeah, I was referring to the work at LHC about the Higgs boson. I respectfully disagree with having to reevaluate my expectations. I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, but if the particle really is discovered, you can think about completely deconstructing your body and converting it into electrons (for example), transport your matter through electrical lines and reconstruct yourself on the other side of the planet.

So Atoms-> Protons+neutrons -> Higgs bosons -> electrons -> and back.

The conversion mechanisms are bewildering to think about, I'll give you that. But if you can make flour, sugar, and water out of Higgs bosons, you can make an entire cake too. The next step would be to just find the recipe.
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Old 04-09-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Hoyvík, Faroe Islands
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I hop off at the transport of electrons. Basic physics: conductive materials have resistance and heat up. The exception are super conductors. But transportation of the electrons usually will have a certain loss. How much of your brain are you willing to lose? And what electrons go where? Matter that used to be your right foot could become your brain.
Then there is transportation of the information and reconstruction of the body. That requires the destruction of your own body and what is constructed is just a clone.

So philosophically, you aren't being transported, but killed and then recompiled.
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Old 04-09-2011, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I hop off at the transport of electrons. Basic physics: conductive materials have resistance and heat up. The exception are super conductors. But transportation of the electrons usually will have a certain loss. How much of your brain are you willing to lose? And what electrons go where? Matter that used to be your right foot could become your brain.
Then there is transportation of the information and reconstruction of the body. That requires the destruction of your own body and what is constructed is just a clone.

So philosophically, you aren't being transported, but killed and then recompiled.
Yes, I get what you're saying. As I mentioned, deconstruction and reconstruction would still need to be developed, but at least you know what to deconstruct to if the discovery were made and you would also have mechanisms for transport. I'm sure "loss" can be offset just by having a power supply on the other end to supply the extra electrons. Guess that implies we would probably be able to create life simply from energy too? Alas, any further discussion on this would get even more philosophical bringing up questions such as what is the definition of "killed" and do thoughts have mass-- all things I would gladly discuss when I'm drunk and not in front of a computer.
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