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Old 03-30-2021, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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JB has even gone as far as still requiring masks while exercising in fitness centers, a practice WHO guidelines do not recommend:
"Even when you’re in an area of COVID-19 transmission, masks should not be worn during vigorous physical activity because of the risk of reducing your breathing capacity. No matter how intensely you exercise, keep at least 1 metre away from others, and if you’re indoors, make sure there is adequate ventilation."
https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...covid-19-masks


So I haven't gone back to my health club in now over a year.
Don't let that stop you. Get an adjustable mask and just pull it away from your face when needed. I'm in the gym 3+ days per week and although I wish the mask nonsense would go away, I'm not letting it stop me from working out. I can't say the same about JB though, lol
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Old 03-30-2021, 11:18 PM
 
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Wait, let me guess. A CNN poll?
Nope. Gallup.
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Old 03-31-2021, 02:07 AM
 
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Kentucky is up there too with really bad debt. Here's the list from Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewd...h=6b4d536b78a3

But I agree with RemoteinWisco that it's 99% dems fault with some minor blame falling to Jim Edgar. Dems have had veto proof supermajorities for a looooong time in Illinois including during Rauner's time. No way outta debt without a constitutional amendment or bankruptcy. Regardless, I really enjoyed my time in Chicago. Chicago is an awesome city and the best livable big city in the US. Not sure what the rest of Illinois offers that you can't get elsewhere in say Indiana or states with amazing weather or topographies. I do really like some places like Galena and Ottawa's downtown but would choose Wisco and several other states over downstate Illinois any day.
Gotta give credit where credit is due, I think it was Thompson who put in place the annual 3% guaranteed pension bump, which pretty much put the stake through the heart of any chance IL had to come out the other side of this in one piece. Repub. Pate Phillips may have been in charge of the Senate at the time as well, I'm too lazy to go back and fact check it. Edgar is the Gov. who built the "ramp", which deferred taxes for years and kicked the can down the road. If he would have simply started taxing pension income at that time (he could have exempted SS to protect Grandma, since many other states do that), and not built the ramp with such a high back-end funding rate, we wouldn't be NEARLY in the mess we're in. But hindsight being 20/20, none of that even matters at this point - Wisco is right, leave if leaving makes sense for your personal circumstances - the music is going to stop one of these days, and I sure don't want to own a half-million or greater dollar home here when it does.
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:01 AM
 
Location: LaGrange, Wisconsin
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Gotta give credit where credit is due, I think it was Thompson who put in place the annual 3% guaranteed pension bump, which pretty much put the stake through the heart of any chance IL had to come out the other side of this in one piece. Repub. Pate Phillips may have been in charge of the Senate at the time as well, I'm too lazy to go back and fact check it. Edgar is the Gov. who built the "ramp", which deferred taxes for years and kicked the can down the road. If he would have simply started taxing pension income at that time (he could have exempted SS to protect Grandma, since many other states do that), and not built the ramp with such a high back-end funding rate, we wouldn't be NEARLY in the mess we're in. But hindsight being 20/20, none of that even matters at this point - Wisco is right, leave if leaving makes sense for your personal circumstances - the music is going to stop one of these days, and I sure don't want to own a half-million or greater dollar home here when it does.
When the music stops is anyones guess at this point. 5 years? 10? 20? It is difficult to predict because we have no idea how creative they will get with taxation in the interim to keep themselves afloat. My contention is that Illinois will eventually reach a point where further increasing taxes actually leads to a decrease in overall revenue due to tax base erosion from flight.

The one outlier that I am aware of as far as actually having a plan in place to address the state's financial problems is the Federal Reserve of Chicago. They do indeed have a way to make the math work, albeit in a manner that is so egregious that I can't possibly fathom it would ever be enacted. More on that here: https://www.chicagofed.org/publicati...te_of_illinois
While such a plan would "work", I highly suspect angry citizens would surround the capital with torches and pitchforks in hand as a result. That said, at least give them credit for recognizing the realty of the problem and addressing it pragmatically.

In my view, it is grossly unfair to the citizens of the state to pay such ridiculous sums of their hard earned income to continue to enrich the anointed class. It is furthermore a case in point as to why political machines as so destructive to the overwhelming majority of the working class who are not part of the patronage dynamic. There is a reason they died out in most of the US decades ago.

Though as you aptly point out, there exists a 100% effective method for avoiding it altogether; simply leave. I will continue to watch from afar and have the popcorn ready to pop, because it will be fascinating to see where it all ends.
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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I will have to factor in my salary and house/car payments. With all this TAX talk, maybe the closest I should get to Chicagoland is the very southern tip of the Wisconsin border!

My employer DOES have a satellite program in Kenosha, too.

OR, I can always give it a shot. I have a coworker/friend, as well as a cousin. They both lived in Chicago for 5 to 10 years, but then again, they BOTH moved back to Milwaukee!!
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:18 AM
 
Location: LaGrange, Wisconsin
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I will have to factor in my salary and house/car payments. With all this TAX talk, maybe the closest I should get to Chicagoland is the very southern tip of the Wisconsin border!

My employer DOES have a satellite program in Kenosha, too.

OR, I can always give it a shot. I have a coworker/friend, as well as a cousin. They both lived in Chicago for 5 to 10 years, but then again, they BOTH moved back to Milwaukee!!
I considered Kenosha and the surrounding area for awhile myself, but much of it just had too much of a Schaumburg style vibe to it for my liking. That said, it would have been the most handy for my Wife's family to come visit as Kenosha actually has a direct Metra line to Chicago. It is actually the only Metra station that is located in Wisconsin itself. Now we have to go to either Harvard, Illinois or Antioch to pick them up when they visit (not that I am ever in any hurry for my in-laws to come stay with us).
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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RemoteInWisco, # 1, mister, we will NOT tell your wife about that last mentioned in-law comment!!!!

#2, I remember for fun, I once took the Metra out of Kenosha to Chicago with the kids , several years ago. I prefer to drive, so it was a fun adventure. In fact, we were let on in the Kenosha station and no one ever collected money from me, so we got a free ride down!

There is a train that leaves Milwaukee, and stops in Racine, and heads south to Chicago, as well (I think it is called The Hiawatha).

Like I said, I have no plans to get rid of my automobile. So if I merely move south to the border to place myself somewhat in the middle of Milwaukee and Chicago, I would choose a town that is near Hwy 45 or Hwy 41.
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Old 03-31-2021, 11:03 AM
 
Location: LaGrange, Wisconsin
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RemoteInWisco, # 1, mister, we will NOT tell your wife about that last mentioned in-law comment!!!!

#2, I remember for fun, I once took the Metra out of Kenosha to Chicago with the kids , several years ago. I prefer to drive, so it was a fun adventure. In fact, we were let on in the Kenosha station and no one ever collected money from me, so we got a free ride down!

There is a train that leaves Milwaukee, and stops in Racine, and heads south to Chicago, as well (I think it is called The Hiawatha).

Like I said, I have no plans to get rid of my automobile. So if I merely move south to the border to place myself somewhat in the middle of Milwaukee and Chicago, I would choose a town that is near Hwy 45 or Hwy 41.
The few times I have taken the train from Antioch to Western Ave. I had to make a rather dedicated effort to actually pay for my fare. There is no agent in Antioch, and nobody really seemed to care one bit either along the way or upon arrival. Same story coming from Harvard, Illinois.

They did on the way back naturally, but it seems to me that the far out and unmanned stations are just sort of ignored by the powers that be.
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Old 03-31-2021, 11:47 AM
 
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The one outlier that I am aware of as far as actually having a plan in place to address the state's financial problems is the Federal Reserve of Chicago. They do indeed have a way to make the math work, albeit in a manner that is so egregious that I can't possibly fathom it would ever be enacted. More on that here: https://www.chicagofed.org/publicati...te_of_illinois
While such a plan would "work", I highly suspect angry citizens would surround the capital with torches and pitchforks in hand as a result. That said, at least give them credit for recognizing the realty of the problem and addressing it pragmatically.

In my view, it is grossly unfair to the citizens of the state to pay such ridiculous sums of their hard earned income to continue to enrich the anointed class. .

Except from the article below. TOTALLY RIDICULUS.

This means that homeowners with homes worth $250,000 would pay an additional $2,500 per year in property taxes, those with homes worth $500,000 would pay an additional $5,000, and those with homes worth $1 million would pay an additional $10,000.
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Old 03-31-2021, 12:25 PM
 
Location: LaGrange, Wisconsin
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Except from the article below. TOTALLY RIDICULUS.

This means that homeowners with homes worth $250,000 would pay an additional $2,500 per year in property taxes, those with homes worth $500,000 would pay an additional $5,000, and those with homes worth $1 million would pay an additional $10,000.
The Chicago Fed used to have a lengthy white paper which they released on their plan which was available for download in PDF form but it has since been removed. City Club and Civic Federation used to offer it on their sites too, but it is also gone. No doubt the political class in Chicago and Springfield were not too hip to the idea of the public reading it. It shows in specific detail the kind of massive influx in revenue that would be required to address the problem, and that scares people, which is not good for business.

Though as insane as it sounds, some version of the Fed plan is likely the only realistic way it could be done. Property taxes are the one form of revenue that can't simply flee. Even if you sell your house and move those fees would then be passed on to the new owner. Though I suspect the effect on both home values and commercial real estate in Illinois would be particularly devastating under such a scenario. And the public outcry would be next level deafening I am sure. Even some of the most ardent "yessirs" would become enraged.

At the end of the day casinos, gas tax, soda tax, or whatever else are all drop in the bucket measures. You need to be able to generate massive amounts of revenue by hitting the maximum possible number of people for the maximum amount possible.

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