From KC to STL to Peoria,IL?

[timjoe48]

this tells us more about bualumni than it does about creve coeur.

Originally Posted by BUalumni

I wouldn't live in Creve Coeur if you gave me the nicest house in the area.

[timjoe48]

spoken like a dunlap resident, where apparently there is "cohesion" because it represents boring terrain flat as a pancake...east peoria is interesting, with huge hollows, ravines, diverse neighborhoods and water features...you might say it's kinda random.

Originally Posted by BUalumni

East Peoria is a very 'iffy' town. ...it lacks cohesion on a massive scale. Random, and segregated are the best adjectives to describe East Peoria.

[runninfiend]

Originally Posted by timjoe48

folks, let's not lose our minds on the basis of "crime-index" or "ratio of residents to sex offenders" or other such purportedly definitive information...i was a police and felony court journalist in peoria and tazewell county for 20 years...in that time, i got a pretty good feel for severity of crime vis a vis communities in those two counties...creve coeur isn't even on the crime radar if there's a discussion about crime in central illinois...for a person looking for a rental, creve coeur literally is virtually crime free.

Well you certainly have the experience, can't argue with that.

But, if you don't use a crime index, how exactly are you supposed to measure crime?

Creve Coeur has far more of virtually every type of crime than any other town of a comparable size in central Illinois.

spoken like a dunlap resident, where apparently there is "cohesion" because it represents boring terrain flat as a pancake...east peoria is interesting, with huge hollows, ravines, diverse neighborhoods and water features...you might say it's kinda random.

I'll agree with this. It's much harder to conform to the standard grid system of every other town carved out of the corn fields when you have the terrain EP has. It is actually what makes EP interesting.

[timjoe48]

by qualitative/critical analysis...you don't get that with crime stats...they just don't put things in perspective and can be spun around favorably or disfavorably by whoever the spin doctor is and whatever his motivation is...there are countless examples of police departments issuing press releases purporting signficant progress in crimefighting, based on "fbi statistics" or some such other data...local news media, especially electronic media, simply parrots blather like that as though it's reality (they don't have the staff to do qualitative analysis, even if they wanted to anyway)...a critical analysis of the data inevitably reveals a different story than the one marketed by the police department's public relations office...all that notwithstanding, the average citizen either has no capability or will to do qualitative analysis of crime in a community and therefore is ill equipped, to say the least, to reach an informed opinion.

Originally Posted by runninfiend

if you don't use a crime index, how exactly are you supposed to measure crime?

[BUalumni]

Originally Posted by timjoe48

spoken like a dunlap resident, where apparently there is "cohesion" because it represents boring terrain flat as a pancake...east peoria is interesting, with huge hollows, ravines, diverse neighborhoods and water features...you might say it's kinda random.

What do you mean, "spoke like a dunlap resident"? Dunlap is far from flat. Sure, we aren't East Peoria, but we aren't Morton either. Maybe the area just North of Peoria, and the town of Dunlap tend to be flat. But there are lots of hills and slopes that make up the area.

[BUalumni]

Originally Posted by timjoe48

this tells us more about bualumni than it does about creve coeur.

OK then. Would you want to live in Creve Coeur?

[timjoe48]

yes, i would live in creve coeur...why not?...because it's not a place populated by snooty white upper middle class people like dunlap or morton?...to me, the fact that it's not snooty and more salt of the earth folks makes creve coeur much more desirable than any rightwing conservative community ever could be.

Originally Posted by BUalumni

OK then. Would you want to live in Creve Coeur?

[BUalumni]

Originally Posted by timjoe48

yes, i would live in creve coeur...why not?...because it's not a place populated by snooty white upper middle class people like dunlap or morton?...to me, the fact that it's not snooty and more salt of the earth folks makes creve coeur much more desirable than any rightwing conservative community ever could be.

I'll ask you again. How do find Dunlap and Morton to be snooty? Just because the area tends to attract the more wealthy residents of central Illinois, does not make it snooty. Pekin, Metamora, Chillicothe, Washington, Eureka, Bartonville, Bloomington, and Normal all have higher housing prices compared to Creve Coeur. I find it interesting that you don't consider them to be snooty.

[Kade]

My wife and I moved here 10 years ago from KC and wish we hadn't. We were ignorant of the cost of living in the entire state, but Peoria as well. There isn't much to do here. You can drive from one end of downtown to another in 5 minutes. Hardly any entertainment acts come here, some even get cancelled because not enough tickets sell. The property taxes are high and there isn't much to do here. In the winter it is worse unless you like shopping at the same places all winter. No unique restaurants, even the chains close down here. The town hasn't grown from 113k people in 10 years. Only 1 company here who has a councilman as a VP. If it closed, the town would die. If you are expeciting another KC, you won't find it here. We are moving the spring after our next child comes if we can sell our house. My advice is to stay away.