Why are SO many Illinois folk attracted to Arizona? (Chicago: loans, move to)

[aragx6]

Great photos! truly beautiful city. It gives me chills, and reminds me why I came here (I mean aside from the great job)

[desert student]

Originally Posted by Steve-o

Yes, that is really downtown Phoenix. Pathetic, I know. Anyways, I think desert student is the same troll we've had problems with in the past, with a different user ID. Let them think PHX is some mecca that outshines Chicago. They couldnt be further from the truth. In fact, there are only a handful of cities (that are dives) that I can think of that PHX actually bests, and thats not saying much.

If we are so far from the truth, why have you failed to answer the orginal question. You seem to spend tons of time trying to attack my arguments, and those from the Arizona forum that don't even waste their time to repsond to the garbage that is posted. So if Chicago has this wonderful downtown, and everything else in the world, explain to me why so many from Chicago are calling the Phoenix area hom now? Considering that homes in Arizona are more expensive, and the cost of living is higher, why would they leave the perfection of Chicago for the desert life. Doesn't make too much sense does it? Not only did Phoenix gain more in population than Chicago did las year, but so did Houston, Dallas, and Seattle. If Chicago is so great, then why on earth has it taken almost eight pages of one thread to answer from the Chicago side? If the city is so amazing, and Phoenix is the worst in America, then the question should have been answered very quickly and soundly. So now I am a troll. Dumb, a "Zonie", and now a troll! Thank you for completing my eveolution in a total monster. I find it humoring that because I support Phoenix and it's future, that I am now some other member! I would get used to it though. The number of Illinois license plates that I see swarming in and out of Phoenix streets right now is laughable. Funny how the ones that I talk to seem very content with Phoenix, and love it here! Most that come visiting cannot say the same about Chicago. Not one student that I have met from Chicago, that is now at ASU, has any intention of ever returning to Chicago! Not a single one!! The amount of people in Chicago that want to move to Arizona is much higher than those from Phoenix that want to move to Chicago. Numbers speak much louder than anyone with argumentative intentions that doesn't live in either city!

We all know how subjective NPR is.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11689701

People are leaving the city to live in cookie cutter suburbia that is Chicagoland! Sounds like progress to me! Suprise, but it even looks like the staff at Loyola agrees with Elmhurst. But then two of the most prestigious schools in Chicago couldn't be correct or anything!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n18740541

Of course these are all wrong too I suppose!
http://www.metroplanning.org/press/m...?objectID=3400
http://nalert.blogspot.com/2007/02/c...chool-age.html

Wow! Makes me want to move back real soon!
http://www.rd.com/content/50-cleanes...es-in-america/

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by desert student

If we are so far from the truth, why have you failed to answer the orginal question. You seem to spend tons of time trying to attack my arguments, and those from the Arizona forum that don't even waste their time to repsond to the garbage that is posted. So if Chicago has this wonderful downtown, and everything else in the world, explain to me why so many from Chicago are calling the Phoenix area hom now? Considering that homes in Arizona are more expensive, and the cost of living is higher, why would they leave the perfection of Chicago for the desert life. Doesn't make too much sense does it? Not only did Phoenix gain more in population than Chicago did las year, but so did Houston, Dallas, and Seattle. If Chicago is so great, then why on earth has it taken almost eight pages of one thread to answer from the Chicago side? If the city is so amazing, and Phoenix is the worst in Amerinca, then the question should have been answered very quickly and soundly. So now I am a troll. Dumb, a "Zonie", and now a troll! Thank you for completing my eveolution in a total monster. I find it humoring that because I support Phoenix and it's future, that I am now some other member! I would get used to it though. The number of Illinois license plates that I see swarming in and out of Phoenix streets right now is laughable. Funny how the ones that I talk to seem very content with Phoenix, and love it here! Most that come visiting cannot say the same about Chicago. Not one student that I have met from Chicago, that is now at ASU, has any intention of ever returning to Chicago! Not a single one!! The amount of people in Chicago that want to move to Arizona is much higher than those from Phoenix that want to move to Chicago. Numbers speak much louder than anyone with argumentative intentions that doesn't live in either city!

We all know how subjective NPR is.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11689701

All those IL people you see right now are called "snowbirds", genius. They stay until April when your temps become unbearable for the next 6 months, when they return back here. Basically, theyre a bunch of wimps (or elderly folks). Anyways, Chicago is much more expensive than PHX, where on earth do you come up with this stuff anyways? Many Illinoisans retire to PHX because the COL is cheaper. Let em have their stucco Taco Bell homes, it frees up more real estate here. PHX is a junky dive, no doubt about it. In fact, Ive had this argument with someone else (who strangely resembles yourself) and I started a thread on the General Boards titled "Chicago vs PHX" just to shut the guy up. He was convinced, as you are, that PHX is vastly better than Chicago. Yeah, the poll showed just the opposite. 7 out of 10 preferred Chicago. Go ahead, search for the thread, I think youll find it interesting. Now, you and your lowly PHX can go home with your tail between your legs, comprende?

[HeadedWest]

Originally Posted by Steve-o

Now, you and your lowly PHX can go home with your tail between your legs, comprende?

Is this a personal attack?

[desert student]

Originally Posted by Steve-o

All those IL people you see right now are called "snowbirds", genius. They stay until April when your temps become unbearable for the next 6 months, when they return back here. Basically, theyre a bunch of wimps (or elderly folks). Anyways, Chicago is much more expensive than PHX, where on earth do you come up with this stuff anyways? Many Illinoisans retire to PHX because the COL is cheaper. Let em have their stucco Taco Bell homes, it frees up more real estate here. PHX is a junky dive, no doubt about it. In fact, Ive had this argument with someone else (who strangely resembles yourself) and I started a thread on the General Boards titled "Chicago vs PHX" just to shut the guy up. He was convinced, as you are, that PHX is vastly better than Chicago. Yeah, the poll showed just the opposite. 7 out of 10 preferred Chicago. Go ahead, search for the thread, I think youll find it interesting. Now, you and your lowly PHX can go home with your tail between your legs, comprende?

Sounds top notch to me!

http://www.city-data.com/top2/z52.html

http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1442927

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal...accno=ED454693

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=1417745

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/6...lworst.article

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chica...-l-system.html

http://aaronbsam.blogspot.com/2007/0...in-nation.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...6/ai_n13894274

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20041207/ai_n12570901 (broken link)

http://www.urbanophile.com/arenn/trans/destination.html

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=21134

LOL!
http://rc-d.blogspot.com/2006/08/why-chicago-sucks.htmlhttp://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=21134 (broken link)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chica...-only-one.html

[desert student]

Originally Posted by HeadedWest

Is this a personal attack?

He can't simply defend his city in a nice way. I have gone from ignorant poster, to a crazy "Zonie", to a troll who is the ghost of some past member, and now I am thought of as no more than a dog. No where did I ever resort to such bitterness to push my point. I am glad that there is an ignore option with this site. Thank you city-data.com!

[Attrill]

Originally Posted by desert student

If we are so far from the truth, why have you failed to answer the orginal question.

Against my better judgement I'm posting in this pit of stupidity you've created.

You need to look at what you're posting and actually read it. Look at the articles:

People are leaving the city to live in cookie cutter suburbia that is Chicagoland! Sounds like progress to me! http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n18740541

This is more about suburban Cook county, not Chicago - from the article:

"But the census data released today doesn't say where all the people moving to the rural fringe are coming from......."Moderator cut: copyright
BTW - check what the census predictions were for Chicago in the 1990's and what they actually found with the 2000 census - they said Chicago was losing population all through the 90's and then found it had actually grown when they did the census in 2000.

Of course these are all wrong too I suppose!
http://www.metroplanning.org/press/m...?objectID=3400

Here's some quotes from that source:

"But urban planning experts, economists and demographers say the gentle decline in Chicago's population is no cause for alarm--at least, not yet. In fact, they say it is a natural evolution with some potential benefits.Moderator cut: ...

IF there is an actual population decline happening (the census predicted a large population loss for the 2000 census when the city was actually growing) it is not a matter of people fleeing the city. It is instead 3 flats with families of 4-8 people/apartment being converted to condos with a 20 something couple. There are some issues with that, but even if the population decline proves to be founded in 2010, there is no reason that it means Chciago is declining - it just means it's becoming wealthier and more yuppified.

http://nalert.blogspot.com/2007/02/c...chool-age.html

This is about Catholic schools losing students, not about kids leaving the city schools. Nationwide there has been a large and steady decline in enrollment in Catholic schools since the molestation scandals became public about 10 years ago. That has been accelerated by the drop in church funding for a lot of Catholic schools due to the millions spent on settling court cases during this time. That article is also horribly truncated by the wingnut who posted it to their blog. It is a non sequitur.

Not one student that I have met from Chicago, that is now at ASU, has any intention of ever returning to Chicago! Not a single one!! The amount of people in Chicago that want to move to Arizona is much higher than those from Phoenix that want to move to Chicago.

Do you have any information about people fleeing Chicago to Arizona that isn't anecdotal? Ya got anything? I really doubt it. Enjoy your puny world.

[desert student]

Can any member from Chicago post without coming back to personal attacks? Talk about an inferiority complex. I notice that you attacked a few articles but not the majority. Interesting! By the way, I guess you don't find it relevant to the first article you attacked, that Dekalb is now almost in the metro area, while the city loses popluation. Sadly though you missed the point. It isn't as if the urban loving dwellers are movinng out that far. It is the fact that all the new talent and power of Chicago is shifting out there. Oh, and yes I do feel very comfortable in saying that the lower enrollment in Chicago's Catholic and public schools is a direct result of the declining population of the city. Since many people have to put there kids in private schools to make up for the lack of public, it does show a significant dropoff. I'm also sorry for using ancedotal statements to back up my argument. Forgive me please! I didn't know that by posting once that it would open up an argument that adults would lower themselves to name calling. Of course all sorts of anecdotal statements fly from the Chicago side, but somehow we simply overlook them. I'm also sorry that you don't find my anecdotal statement to mean much. I guess since you yourself are a student at ASU and know first hand I am dead wrong! But what do I know. I'll just blame my lack of knowledge on my great Chicago education.

[aragx6]

Are we done with this yet?

At the end of the day, regardless of what desert student claims or says Chicago is a world class city, Phoenix is not. It's not even close. I'll happily say it never will be. Enjoy life down there in Arizona- if you like it so much I hope you never leave.

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by HeadedWest

Is this a personal attack?

How is that a "personal attack"? lol Do you not know why dogs tuck their tails and run away? Means DEFEAT. A word that Phoenix knows all too well when being compared to Chicago. I cant believe I actually got suckered into another childish whos-city-is-better-than-whos debate. But seriously, those who think PHX is a better city than Chicago are sorely mistaken and its clear theyve never been to Chicago.

Im done with this thread, its useless arguing against people who know not what they talk about.