Petitioning for the Repeal of the Smoking Ban (health, property)

[Katiana]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

There are toxins coming out of cars on every street where people live.

But this thread is about cigarette smoke, not auto pollution.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by illini84

I agree. Of course, the smokers are going to counter this with "well, bartenders should get a different job then!" Which basically translates to "either find another job or die of selfish peoples' second-hand smoke." Seriously. SOMEBODY has to work these jobs and I'm pretty sure none of them wants to die of second-hand smoke just because a smoker is too lazy to walk outside.

I am willing to say a huge majority of people that work as bartenders and waitresses smoke.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by pittnurse70

But this thread is about cigarette smoke, not auto pollution.

And your point is? Nothing.

None of the anti-smoking Nazis like yourself will admit that vehicle exhaust causes more health problems to more of the population than second hand cigarette smoke ever did or ever will. If cigarettes were banned there still would be lung cancer and other respiratory problems as well as nervous system problems until the end of time because of airbourne toxins from cars and factories.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by pittnurse70

That may be your experience, but I don't think EVERY restaurant/bar employee is a smoker. And as was brought up on the PA forum, what about the legal liability of an employer knowingly exposing his/her employees to a dangerous substance.

It happens all the time. Maybe you should go work in a metal foundry. Should they be outlawed because of all the dangers there? Hmmm? I am waiting.

[Katiana]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

It happens all the time. Maybe you should go work in a metal foundry. Should they be outlawed because of all the dangers there? Hmmm? I am waiting.

Well, there is OSHA, which has regs to provide protection. I'm not sure your facts are correct about auto emissions, either. You don't generally sit at a tailpipe and breathe it in for 40 hrs/wk.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by pittnurse70

Well, there is OSHA, which has regs to provide protection. I'm not sure your facts are correct about auto emissions, either. You don't generally sit at a tailpipe and breathe it in for 40 hrs/wk.

OSHA? Hahaha. If they protected people to the letter, we would have no industry whatsoever.

If a woman or child lives near an expressway or near a major congested street in Chicago (or anywhere else really) children have a far larger rates of asthma and women have a far higher rate of Breast Cancer and Heart Disease. Those are just the top risk factors for children and women when living near vehicle and industrial pollution. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Cheers.

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[Greatday]

Perhaps we should get back on topic - Cigarettes?

I'm not a smoker - yet, I fully support the right of private business to decide the type of clientele they want.

I do not support government social engineering - and that is clearly what any smoking ban is about.

Freedom!

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Perhaps we should get back on topic - Cigarettes?

I'm not a smoker - yet, I fully support the right of private business to decide the type of clientele they want.

I do not support government social engineering - and that is clearly what any smoking ban is about.

Freedom!

Thats fine and I agree fully. However ,the supporters of "social engineering" want to pick and choose when it will be applied. When it is applied to something that they do not partake in-they are all for it. When it comes into conflict with something they do, they dismiss and ignore the truth of the world.

[Drover]

Anyone sense this thread is starting to chase its own tail yet?

[illini84]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

There are toxins coming out of cars on every street where people live.

Have you ever heard of people dying from second-hand car toxin smoke? Don't think so...only second-hand smoke.