Petitioning for the Repeal of the Smoking Ban (Orland Park, Viola: health, home)

[aragx6]

Originally Posted by Drover

One just hopes it never gets to the point where it becomes necessary to take up arms against them.

At least there are a few of us who are obviously willing to fight for that.

[NYrules]

Originally Posted by Drover

You're missing the obvious point staring us right in the face: it's neither the smoker's right to demand the right to smoke on someone else's private property; nor is it the non-smoker's right to demand that nobody be allowed to smoke on someone else's private property. That is the property owner's decision to make.

It is the property owner's decision until it can affect the health of the general public. Heck do you think it is ok to smoke in a grocery store? .... (I'll let you take a minute....) NO? Why not? Because of cleanliness? Health factors? Tainting the food in some way? Well until about 20 years ago I can remember seeing people walking around in grocery stores with a cig in one hand the shopping cart in the other. Sounds pretty disgusting now doesn't it? Think about it... People used to ash right on the floor in the store right next to the fruits and vegetables, among everything else. EWWW, but that was thought of as being ok and then there was a big stir when that was outlawed. "Oh how can you do away with that?" people said, but you know what? We adapted and today if someone did that, the other people would look at that person as if he or she was nuts. Did it affect the grocery store's business? Obviously not.

Airports... Same thing, offices, libraries, AIRPLANES... etc. all of which I can still remember seeing people smoking in and nobody ever thought anything of it and has it affected business at all for any of them? NOPE.

[SloopyJ]

Originally Posted by boris63

The government is way overstepping it's authority in this case by violating property rights.

Well, no, that's actually not true. There are plenty of things people are not allowed to do on private property - and even more things people are not allowed to do when their private property is open to the public.

[NYrules]

Originally Posted by illini84

A bar/restaurant is not exactly the same type of private property that a person's home is. Bars and restaurants are subject to Health Code Inspections--if they don't meet these government-regulated requirements, they will be fined or shut down. Are you saying the government shouldn't interfere with the cleanliness of the business owner's place? "Hey, if the business owner wants to run the restaurant filthy dirty, let him! That's his choice! If people don't want to go there, they can go somewhere else!" That's parallel to the argument you're making against the smoking ban.

Also, guess what? A bar/restaurant's liquor license comes from the government. And those outdoor cafes that everyone likes? Guess what--those are actually on the public right-of-way and are City-regulated too. A business owner doesn't have very much freedom, in reality. But hey, if you don't like to abide by the government's regulations, DON'T BE A BUSINESS OWNER!

YEA! If the bar owner wants to serve rats to his customers let him right? Heck, if he wants roaches in his restaurant, thats ok too isn't it. OY VEY! LOL!

[boris63]

Originally Posted by SloopyJ

Well, no, that's actually not true. There are plenty of things people are not allowed to do on private property - and even more things people are not allowed to do when their private property is open to the public.

True there are many ways that the government violates property rights, but that dosn't mean that it's right!

The government has been overstepping it's bounds in many ways for many years. The smoking ban is just one of many examples.

In a "free" country government would respect property rights. I f you don't believe we should live in a "free" country, I guess you are entitled to your opinion. I for one would rather have freedom.

[STLCardsBlues1989]

Originally Posted by illini84

Funny you should say that. Are YOU people really too lazy to walk outside of a door to express your smoking preference? Geez. You just can't win with these die-hard smokers...

I'm not a smoker, but I do think people should have a right to smoke in at least some bars.

Why should be force smokers to stand outside in (here) thirty degree weather to smoke (it's probably colder in Illinois)? I think we could have smoking and non-smoking bars.

I've never smoked and don't want to, but that doesn't mean I should demonize or discriminate against those who do.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by illini84

Funny you should say that. Are YOU people really too lazy to walk outside of a door to express your smoking preference? Geez. You just can't win with these die-hard smokers...

Keep soakin' in the Sun down there honey. That Cancer you think you can avoid will find you soon enough.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by NYrules

Ok so where am I supposed to go then? There were no No Smoking restaurants in town or anywhere near me. So how fair is that? I have to either be poisioned by second hand smoke, or drive downtown to enjoy a smoke free atmosphere. So, how about I go into smoking establishments and purposely puke all over the floor in there? Fill the place with the smell of puke. That is not illegal either. I could claim the smell of smoke was what made me puke in the first place and ooooopppps I had an accident. The smell of puke doesn't bother me, but for the people that do... OH well, go somewhere else. Right?

Bull. There were no non-smoking retaurants? BULL.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by NYrules

YEA! If the bar owner wants to serve rats to his customers let him right? Heck, if he wants roaches in his restaurant, thats ok too isn't it. OY VEY! LOL!

FYI most eating establishments have roaches and mice.You still eat in them dont you? You would be shocked to know just how many do have pest problems.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by illini84

Call me crazy, but business owners generally try to accommodate their customers. 3/4 of their customers don't smoke...

Not true at all.