Cubs, White Sox, or Cardinals? (Chicago, Marion: transplants, job, house)

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

but did you have to so short? I am from right on the river, and we tend to think we belong on both sides......fyi, my family is from the only Illinios county west of the river......

I wish more people knew the reason why that county is west of the river:-) I love history!

I by no means am mad at you. I just would like if the vote was more "pure." :-) Even if you are in that grey area. :-)

I fully would expect you and people around you to be Card fans.:-)

[kshe95girl]

nobody ever thinks about it, but Kaskaskia is in Illinois, lived there for 5 years, does that count?

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

nobody ever thinks about it, but Kaskaskia is in Illinois, lived there for 5 years, does that count?

I dont know if that is long enough.:-) You were born in St Louis right and grew up in the area right?

I think maybe the voting should only be people born in Illinois or have spend over half of their life there otherwise voting could get really skewed...

We have far more transplants than Misso....

[kshe95girl]

do you know the story behind Kaskaskia? I do, dont wanna hijack the thread, DM me if you want to know......
Yes, i grew up in the STL area, but lived on the Il side, also, more than once.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by kshe95girl

do you know the story behind Kaskaskia? I do, dont wanna hijack the thread, DM me if you want to know......
Yes, i grew up in the STL area, but lived on the Il side, also, more than once.

Well in in terms of letting you vote, that is not my decision.:-)

Of course, I know the history, otherwise I would not have said what I did.:-)

The Mississippi river shifted course. I know all about the Indian and French roots of the town also.

[kshe95girl]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Well in in terms of letting you vote, that is not my decision.:-)

Of course, I know the history, otherwise I would not have said what I did.:-)

The Mississippi river shifted course. I know all about the Indian and French roots of the town also.

I swear, this is the last post I will put on this thread!
My family settled there in 1702, still has land there, the whole area is fascinating, glad to know you are interested in the history of the area, the other side of my family is from Sainte Genevieve, they have been there since 1738..... so I suppose I am a really long term Cards fan, LOL
-bowing out of thread, but will be reading-

[runninfiend]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

I am not a yuppie. Even if I was, that was a b.s. comment to make since someone like me has been a Cubs fan since birth and by no means was I born into privilaged family nor am I rolling in dough now. Your comment was classless.

I will meet you at Sheffield and Waveland on the Northwest corner at any Cubs-Card game of your choosing at Wrigley and show you how wrong you are. You better be prepared though buddy.

Ha! You Cubs fans are easily riled. Relax, you'll be better than us this year anyway (although you'll probably choke in the first round again).

[Chiguy1957]

Youse guys ever see this?

[Steve-o]

Another Cubs fan here (like y'all didnt know that already).

That map though? Why the heck does it show all the western burbs to be Sox fan territory? Thats complete rubbish. Cubs fans FAR outnumber Sox fans out here. In fact, the only burbs I see a Sox dominance in are the southern and southwestern burbs.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by runninfiend

Here's the way it stacks up as I see it:

North of I-80: 85% Cubs, 15% Sox

South of I-80 to Peoria: 50% Cubs, 47% Cardinals, 3% Sox

South of Peoria including Springfield: 80% Cardinals, 20% Cubs, Chicago has two baseball teams?

South of Springfield to St. Louis: 95% Cardinals, 5% Cubs

South of St. Louis to Cairo: 10% Cardinals, 10% Braves, 80% Dale Earnhardt, Jr.

Myself, sorry, no use for the yuppie northsiders. Born, raised, still, a Cardinal fan.

I grew up in the south suburbs, so I'm a huge White Sox fan.

Here's my take (and I'm saying all this as a Sox fan that takes a perverse joy in seeing the Cubs reach 100 years without a World Series championship): I definitely believe that Cubs fans outnumber Sox fans in terms of people who GREW UP in the Chicago area, but I think it's more of 60-40 split there as opposed to the 85-15 figure suggested. The difference is that the Cubs have a huge adoptability factor among transplants that only a few other teams in all of sports can match (probably only the Yankees, Red Sox, Lakers and Cowboys can compare) - basically, unless you grew up as a Cardinals or White Sox fan, it seems as though every person that moves into Chicago from outside of the area ends up adopting the Cubs as their baseball team. We can argue all day as to why that has happened, but it is what it is (and keeps Wrigley Field completely sold out even in sub-.500 seasons). Even though the Bears are the #1 team in Chicago overall, most transplants seem to keep their original NFL teams with only a passing interest in the Bears. On the other hand, I can't tell you how many Wisconsin natives that I've met that have moved to Chicago and ended up with a love of both the Packers (which means an obvious hatred for the Bears) and the Cubs. This is the same thing for people that move in from other places (i.e. the Cowboys/Cubs fan, the Lions/Cubs fan, the Browns/Cubs fan - I've seen them all). Taking into account the newer residents, it probably jumps up to 70-30 in favor of the Cubs.

Spending enough time in central Illinois during my college years, I think the split between Cubs and Cardinals fans in downstate Illinois is much closer than what is suggested here, as well. Springfield tips slightly toward the Cardinals (definitely not 80-20 - maybe 55-45 if not closer), while Peoria tips slightly towards the Cubs. As you get closer to Chicago or St. Louis, the split between the two respective teams becomes greater. I'd have to agree that the Sox fan base doesn't extend much beyond the South Side and I'm fine with that - few things perturb me more than bandwagon fans.

I'll give the TRUE Cubs fans credit for sitcking by them (these people are different than what I call the "Wrigley Field fans" who just want to party) - it can't necessarily be true that Wrigley Field is the only reason why people watch the Cubs because there are few pro sports teams that have a traveling fan base the way they do. I'll never forget how they dominated the Braves fans in the 2003 playoffs in Turner Field - I'll admit that was impressive.