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Old 12-09-2008, 05:20 PM
 
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In a profile of Blagojevich in last February's Chicago Magazine, writer David Bernstein reported:
Privately, a few people who know the governor describe him as a "sociopath," and they insist they're not using hyperbole. State representative Joe Lyons, a fellow Democrat from Chicago, told reporters that Blagojevich was a "madman" and "insane."

Eric Zorn reminded us of this today on the Trib's website.
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:36 PM
 
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Why'd the voters of Illinois vote for a corrupt madman, anyhow?
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Old 12-09-2008, 08:53 PM
 
Location: in the middle
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Why'd the voters of Illinois vote for a corrupt madman, anyhow?
Not all Illinois voters did. But for decades the slogan of the Chicago political machine has been, Vote Early and Vote Often.

Corruption, anyone?
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Old 12-09-2008, 09:17 PM
 
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Why'd the voters of Illinois vote for a corrupt madman, anyhow?
Its the Illinois way!

























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Old 12-09-2008, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I don't necessarily disagree with this.

Frankly, a lot of the indictment seems like politicking as usual. Since no money or appointments changed hands, I wonder what the legality is of just insinuating compensation for specific appointments.

What politician doesn't maneuver for their own gain?

I know the feds don't move without almost ironclad certainty of conviction, but I gotta wonder if some of these charges might not stick.

That said, this guy is such an incompetent governor and has mucked up this state so badly, it only serves us citizens to get him out of office.
Did you read the criminal complaint at all? Did you read the transcripts of the wire taps?

Here read it from this link (PDF):

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/...2/43789434.pdf

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Old 12-10-2008, 10:24 AM
 
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Skip down to page 68, where it gets interesting. Since Obama won't give $ to Blago for his vacant senate seat, Blago says "F*** them!" Nice.
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Old 12-10-2008, 11:07 AM
 
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Did you read the criminal complaint at all? Did you read the transcripts of the wire taps?

Here read it from this link (PDF):

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/...2/43789434.pdf
I'd already read it. His actions are despicable, no doubt, and I'm not defending Blago, I'm just saying if you step back and look objectively, I have to wonder what the actual criminal charges will be. Conspiracy to maybe commit corruption?

The facts are, this is talk. Unethical talk, talk of corruption, but talk. No money changed hands, no actual deals were worked, just talk.

Where are the charges from all the investigations of previous pay to play? Not one mention anywhere in the criminal complaint. I find that odd is all.

Ryan took money for his own personal use, gave contracts out, actually GOT paid. Blago may have done these things, and it sounds like he intended to, but actual personal gain is NOT outlined in this complaint.

I personally think Fitzgerald may have jumped the gun a bit. I'm no lawyer, but I have to wonder if waiting for more might have been more beneficial to the case against Blago.

Just my take.
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:48 PM
 
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I personally think Fitzgerald may have jumped the gun a bit. I'm no lawyer, but I have to wonder if waiting for more might have been more beneficial to the case against Blago.

Just my take.
Fitzgerald will be out of a job on January 20th. I would agree that it would have been better to see who paid how much for the Senate seat prior to the indictment. However, there might not have been an indictment NEXT year.

I wonder whether the governor will be removed from office.

My friends from out of state are really surprised of this news. The friends from Illinois are not.
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Old 12-10-2008, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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It is interesting for us in other states. Makes some of us wonder if the politicos in Illinois aren't as good at covering their crimes as our guys or are they just plain crooked. With the Govonator in California at least we can be assured he isn't doing the job for the money. Seems to have plenty of his own money. It is a surprise to hear how your govonor and former gov's have faired during their terms.
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Old 12-10-2008, 02:13 PM
 
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If he's been doing it, and everyone thinks he has, Blago clearly is good at it, since he's been accused of giving contracts, giving jobs, taking money, etc. over the past 5 years, yet there are absolutely NO official charges that date before these wire taps in November--and even those don't directly point to actual contracts being given or money changing hands.

George Ryan they had dead to rights. He took $, benefits, and handed out contracts for compensation.
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