Illinois is ... (Peoria, Springfield, Kankakee: school district, activity, suburban)

[linicx]

Let me ask you some questions. What is the elevation of Kankakee County? What is your soil? How many of your farmers water their crops? What is your weather pattern on any given day? How many days are cloudy? Now many days are windy? How many lakes, streams and rivers are in your county; how many total acres of water does that represent? How many acres in your county are fallow? What is total population of your county? What are the dimensions of each side your county? What does your county abut on each side? How many acres do each of your county towns and villages take? How many acres in your county are in crops? How many commercial crops do you grow? Name them? What percentage of your county is in corn? What percentage of your county is in beans? How will El NIno affect your growing season this year?

[Jons99]

Originally Posted by linicx

Let me ask you some questions. What is the elevation of Kankakee County? What is your soil? How many of your farmers water their crops? What is your weather pattern on any given day? How many days are cloudy? Now many days are windy? How many lakes, streams and rivers are in your county; how many total acres of water does that represent? How many acres in your county are fallow? What is total population of your county? What are the dimensions of each side your county? What does your county abut on each side? How many acres do each of your county towns and villages take? How many acres in your county are in crops? How many commercial crops do you grow? Name them? What percentage of your county is in corn? What percentage of your county is in beans? How will El NIno affect your growing season this year?

If you want the answers to that, do your own research..

Though I will answer a few..Very few irrigation is done, except on the few vegetable farms on the east side of the county. I would guess this is considered a windy area as several wind farms are being built. We have one of the best rivers in the state.. County population is about 112K.. Corn and beans account for around 90% of the ag acres..

[linicx]

Originally Posted by Jons99

I am speaking of historical data, you are looking at this weeks.. Like any stats person will tell you, my numbers are MUCH, MORE more reliable in this conversation..

Again, judge rules that I win.. Jon leads 2-0 in the best of 7
series!

ROTFL You gotta take this one on the road, Jonx99. You are finxated again. I did not look at any "weeks". It is not relevant, which I have already stated at least once. What I proved was at *one specific time and date* in history, three areas in Illinois that YOU picked, had higher humidity than Kankakee County.

Modern statisticians will not draw any conclusion from data presented on *one map*, nor will they use *un-sourced material* to prove any theory. You have not offered enough data to conclusively venture a qualified opinion on material scientists have not given consideration.

You are making the accusations. It is up to you to prove I am wrong. I do not have to prove a thing, but I have tried to help you. On this subject I do conclude it is impossible..

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[linicx]

Originally Posted by Jons99

If you want the answers to that, do your own research..

Though I will answer a few..Very few irrigation is done, except on the few vegetable farms on the east side of the county. I would guess this is considered a windy area as several wind farms are being built. We have one of the best rivers in the state.. County population is about 112K.. Corn and beans account for around 90% of the ag acres..

Thank you for the information. I do not live in KankaKee County, I don't care about Kankakee County. I am not going to research Kankakee County. Kankakee is your county.

I will tell you there is a big difference between the counties of Peoria and Kankakee starting with population which is nearly double of KanKakee. Tje eastern border of Peoria County from Marshall County to Fulton Fulton County is a wide, deep channel, shipping lane where the widest point in Peoria. Peoria County is not flat. It is hilly and heavily forested, and it is not suitable for a wind farm. Corn and beans would be Peoria County crops, too. Peoria County is approximately 100 miles SW of Kankakee County.

[Jons99]

Originally Posted by linicx

ROTFL You gotta take this one on the road, Jonx99. You are finxated again. I did not look at any "weeks". It is not relevant, which I have already stated at least once. What I proved was at *one specific time and date* in history, three areas in Illinois that YOU picked, had higher humidity than Kankakee County.

Modern statisticians will not draw any conclusion from data presented on *one map*, nor will they use *un-sourced material* to prove any theory. You have not offered enough data to conclusively venture a qualified opinion on material scientists have not given consideration.

You are making the accusations. It is up to you to prove I am wrong. I do not have to prove a thing, but I have tried to help you. On this subject I do conclude it is impossible..

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You made the accusation. You agreed that central Illinois is historically more humid than northern Illinois without giving a source, so yes, it is up to you to provide proof.. I proved that you are wrong..

[Jons99]

Originally Posted by linicx

One of the reasons central Illinois is more humid than the northern part of the state is because it is trapped between three large bodies of water, plus it is peppered with small streams and lakes of some size. Then, to jazz things up a bit, the state, the Nature Conservancy and the US Fish and Wildlife Service got together had hatched a plan to reclaim 13,000 acres that is mostly water. I figure when it is all over and done our summer humidity will rival that of Mississippi. The only thing this plan is going to hatch is more revenue for Ameren. The return to nature is the only benefit.

This is what I am wondering if you have a source for..

[linicx]

Originally Posted by Jons99

This is what I am wondering if you have a source for..

AND I have been wondering about your statement: "ISBE website is a great place to see where state dollars are going for education, take a quick peak and see what an unfair amount of aid is going to the southern school districts.'

There is an adage that says people who live in glass houses should not throw rocks. You want to nit-pick emperical data. That is your choice.

Let me tell a story. I went to the Il State Board of Education and looked around. I wanted to prove you are correct. Guess what I found? Nothing, but I did learn many of the programs and services the education provides to all schools in the state. It's interesting. .

Then I called the Board in Springfield and I talked to Allison and Toni. What they said was this: "The information is not on our website. It was never on our website. We don't know the answer. We have no way to know it." And they went on to walk me through a few of the basic steps to begin to prove such a statement as yours.

If I really want to know how dollars from Northern Illinois actually trickles down to schools in Southern Illinois, I will have to talk to someone besides the ISBE. I am sure there a bean counter in the Budget or Treasury in Springfield that probably knows the answer, but I don't know who it is.

However, I will trust the ISBE when they say they do not know, and that information is not on and never was on their website.

If these employees are wrong, post the URL and I will inform them of their errors after I read it. I will post the response right here.


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[Jons99]

I will make this as simple as possible for you since you seem to struggle with research...

Go to this website, its easier to read than the ISBE website

Interactive Illinois Report Card

1. Type in whatever school district you want to look at.

2. Click on the "district finance" blue tab

3. Then hit "revenue %"

At that point, you will be able to see what percentage of a schools budget comes from local taxpayer dollars, from state aid and from federal aid.. If you want to figure out the dollars per student instead of simply looking at the percentages, you will have to figure that out for yourself by starting in the "reveue amounts" section, but the school/district enrollments are listed so its quiet easy to compute.

You will eventually figure out that before I make a post, what I am saying is factual as I do my research, don't simply throw out things as factual and hope people don't question it like you do. What you will find is that most of the central and southern districts are getting 60%-80% of their budgets from the state and federal aid while most of the suburban districts are getting less than 30%.. And obviously the average household in northern Illinois is paying more taxes, so its just shifting dollars from the north to the south, just like I said.

[Jons99]

And before you make a comment of "well you said it was on the ISBE website, yada, yada, yada, thus you were wrong"... Here ya go

getSearchCriteria

But again, I find the other website easier to navigate..

[doll lady]

I really think this thread and a lot of Illinois threads would be better is there was less bickering. I don't think most posters give a hoot about who is right and who is wrong. Won't you all please stop the bickering and tell us some good things about Illinois and so what if someone misquotes something....don't make a big thing about it. It's very easy to put corrective information or a site on here without stating nasty words. I have seen mistakes by many people, including almost every poster, but I don't let it make me a warrior, bent on getting someone's head. I may be in trouble for posting this, but I want change!