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[Jons99]

I think we need to be better about being accurate before we post, that way people will know the truth about Illinois and this board will have more credibility.

[linicx]

Originally Posted by Jons99

I will make this as simple as possible for you since you seem to struggle with research...

Go to this website, its easier to read than the ISBE website

Interactive Illinois Report Card

1. Type in whatever school district you want to look at.

2. Click on the "district finance" blue tab

3. Then hit "revenue %"

At that point, you will be able to see what percentage of a schools budget comes from local taxpayer dollars, from state aid and from federal aid.. If you want to figure out the dollars per student instead of simply looking at the percentages, you will have to figure that out for yourself by starting in the "reveue amounts" section, but the school/district enrollments are listed so its quiet easy to compute.

You will eventually figure out that before I make a post, what I am saying is factual as I do my research, don't simply throw out things as factual and hope people don't question it like you do. What you will find is that most of the central and southern districts are getting 60%-80% of their budgets from the state and federal aid while most of the suburban districts are getting less than 30%.. And obviously the average household in northern Illinois is paying more taxes, so its just shifting dollars from the north to the south, just like I said.

Cook County (11 schools)
Local: 23M State: 9M Federal: 3M Total: $38,993, 933.
searchByDistrict

Kankakee County (11 schools)
Local: 16M State: 29M Federal: 13M Total: $61,000.000.00+
searchByDistrict

Peoria County (31 schools in district)
Local: 74M State: 58M Federal: 22M Total $158,330,077
searchBySchool

(Need southern county citation)
Cairo, IL (3 schools)
Local: 1.5M State: 5M Federal: 1.5 M Total: $9,178.333

IF Northern Illinois taxes are all going to Southern illinois why does Cook County need State or Federal Funds for their schools?

[Jons99]

You just make this so easy...

Using those schools

Cairo gets $9508 per student in state aid

Cook130 gets $2858 per student in state aid

I NEVER said that all of the northern taxes are heading south, just that northern money is heading south, which is exactly the opposite of someones statement they they felt that southern Illinois was subsidizing northern Illinois ghettos.. Obviuosly, its northern Illinois thats subsidizing the rest of the states schools..

According to the state constitution, its the states duty to pay for the majority of educational costs, while that happens downstate, many suburban districts are getting the state to pay as little as 5%-10% of their budgets, how is that fair? Heck, I live in a little podunk school district and we only have the state account for 35% of our revenue..

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by SJaye

Kansas has the highest number of F5 tornadoes since 1880

Tornado Alley Maps and Information

And Iowa has the most per square mile.

F5's are really rare so just focusing on them is misleading.

Take a look at central Oklahoma....also Iowa and Mississippi...
F3-5tornadoes-us

[SJaye]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

And Iowa has the most per square mile.

F5's are really rare so just focusing on them is misleading.

Take a look at central Oklahoma....also Iowa and Mississippi...
F3-5tornadoes-us

I understand, but there is still nothing in this map to suggest that Kansas is not a key tornado state. I consider tornado alley to extend from the northernmost part of Texas all the way upward to the Southeastern corner of South Dakota, westward to about the 102nd meridian, and eastward into the western half of Iowa. It's number three on this list, which includes all tornadoes.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by SJaye

I understand, but there is still nothing in this map to suggest that Kansas is not a key tornado state. I consider tornado alley to extend from the northernmost part of Texas all the way upward to the Southeastern corner of South Dakota, westward to about the 102nd meridian, and eastward into the western half of Iowa. It's number three on this list, which includes all tornadoes.

Apparently you are having a separate conversation I am unaware of?

I never said it wasn't a key tornado state, I pointed out that OK and northern TX are where the bigger tornados are MUCH more common and that KS was more along the lines of Iowa and even parts of IL.

I also addressed that Kanas has a lot of F1's out by the Rockies that skews the total amount of tornado's.

So basically, I agree with your points....I already had.

[linicx]

There is a stretch of highway between West Tulsa and East Springfield, MO., that gets pounded regularly with storms, flash floods and F0-F2 tornadoes I don't recall any F5 in the last few years except the one in OKC that stayed on the ground for what seemed like a week.

[SJaye]

Mathguy, I guess my main area of disagreement with you is Tornado_Risk(Oklahoma)- Tornado_Risk(Kansas). I see this number as much lower than you do. Oklahoma probably does have the highest risk of any state in the country, but from the standpoint of how frequently the conditions for tornadoes come together, Kansas, Western Missouri, Western Arkansas, and northern Texas all get the same clash of air masses quite frequently, with the important ingredient that distinguishes this part of the country from Illinois being the dry line, separating dry air from moist air. This feature is far more common in the plains from southern Nebraska down to Texas than in Illinois, and is often the focal point for tornadic activity.