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Old 11-12-2011, 01:58 PM
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I don't like that idea. That takes pedestrians off the streets. It's the same thing as pedestrian skywalks...
and what's so wrong with people being off the streets?
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Old 11-13-2011, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Cleveland Suburbs
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and what's so wrong with people being off the streets?
It's called pedestrian activity, it adds to the vibrancy of downtown. Go look at downtown Detroit and tell me how vibrant it is. Not having people walk on the streets is an eerie feeling.
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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It's called pedestrian activity, it adds to the vibrancy of downtown. Go look at downtown Detroit and tell me how vibrant it is. Not having people walk on the streets is an eerie feeling.
Here we are in complete agreement. While I think something needs to be done with the highway system downtown. The splits are are very efficient for moving traffic but I think downtown would be better if it modeled Boston and put downtown expressway traffic underground (non pedestrian). That would open up greenspace and connect Holy Cross and the areas just south of 70 with downtown as well as integrate downtown North of 65 with the rest of downtown
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Old 11-13-2011, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Here we are in complete agreement. While I think something needs to be done with the highway system downtown. The splits are are very efficient for moving traffic but I think downtown would be better if it modeled Boston and put downtown expressway traffic underground (non pedestrian). That would open up greenspace and connect Holy Cross and the areas just south of 70 with downtown as well as integrate downtown North of 65 with the rest of downtown
Ya....
But $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is a problem.
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Old 11-14-2011, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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It's called pedestrian activity, it adds to the vibrancy of downtown. Go look at downtown Detroit and tell me how vibrant it is. Not having people walk on the streets is an eerie feeling.
Indy's skywalk system encourages people to be downtown when weather is at its worst.
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:44 AM
 
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78k Downtown Parking spaces. Not a lot for a car centric city to be honest and actually not enough as there are 120k workers downtown during the day. 18k more than Denver which has 60k parking spaces downtown.
I'm curious. Where did you get 60K parking spots and 102K workforce for downtown Denver? The reason I ask is that they did a survey of lot and garage spaces and came up with fewer than 44K parking spots. The workforce #s I see for them are generally 120 to 130K.

Indy has a downtown workforce of 120K and lot/garage parking for 67K vehicles. Street spots for both might be some of the difference, but workers don't use these spots much because feeding a meter all day is a pain.

If my # are correct, Denver has 3 workers/vehicle spot while Indy has 1.8 workers/spot. This is why I'm skeptical of commuter rail downtown there. It's just too easy to get a parking spot and traffic isn't bad enough for trains to be more efficient than driving. It's difficult to get massive numbers willing to give up their cars with those factors at play.
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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It's called pedestrian activity, it adds to the vibrancy of downtown. Go look at downtown Detroit and tell me how vibrant it is. Not having people walk on the streets is an eerie feeling.
Detroit isn't "vibrant" because too many people use underground walkways/bike paths.

What would happen is that people would be out and about on the streets during nice weather and underground when it got bad. People would still be out walking and riding bikes, but you just wouldn't see them until they reached their destination or closest point to their destination. Also with snow and ice people don't want to walk in that for any longer than they have to, let alone drive in it and also have to have to watch for people walking. Giving people the option to walk and ride their bike in any weather would be something very positive for Indianapolis as a whole.

Last edited by A2DAC1985; 11-16-2011 at 10:07 AM.. Reason: to make more sense
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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K doing a little research at possible light rail in the circle city going along a proposed path and pop. density using City-data numbers:

The * designated a zip code that could be part of the path pending twists and turns.

I will say LR between Downtown and Northwest side would not be feasible due to density of the its zip codes as well as Downtown heading Southwest through Decatur Township.

Leaving off the donut counties, to me the biggest benefactor would actually be the West side for mass transit. They also get the boost because the airport is on the west side and is in essence a gateway into the city. The next factor would be heading from downtown to the NE side, followed by a line straight East with the South side bringing up the rear. Once you add in the donut counties for me anyway, the needs wouldn't change as the west side would probably still be the biggest benefactor of mass transit just nudging out the NE route once you add in Hamilton County. Sorry, airport too big of a role for Hamilton to overtake the priority.


Downtown Zip codes would always be included hence it's downtown
46204: 6792
Downtown also has part of 46202: 2699

East-West (Would basically be along Washington St) going through the following zip codes
Heading DT East
46201: 7071
46219: 2907
46229: 2334
*46203: 2965

Heading DT West
46222:3585
46224: 4386
46214: 3187
*46241: 1271 (Airport)

North-South (DT to NE (Fishers) and DT to straight South toward Greenwood)
DT Heading South
46225: 2142
46227: 2997
*46203: 2965

DT Heading North toward Fishers
46218: 3773
46226: 3144
46220: 2987
46250: 2272
*46256: 2075
*46205: 4810
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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I'm curious. Where did you get 60K parking spots and 102K workforce for downtown Denver? The reason I ask is that they did a survey of lot and garage spaces and came up with fewer than 44K parking spots. The workforce #s I see for them are generally 120 to 130K.

Indy has a downtown workforce of 120K and lot/garage parking for 67K vehicles. Street spots for both might be some of the difference, but workers don't use these spots much because feeding a meter all day is a pain.

If my # are correct, Denver has 3 workers/vehicle spot while Indy has 1.8 workers/spot. This is why I'm skeptical of commuter rail downtown there. It's just too easy to get a parking spot and traffic isn't bad enough for trains to be more efficient than driving. It's difficult to get massive numbers willing to give up their cars with those factors at play.
From a report from downtowndenver.com (last updated 2009). I will say I transposed parking spaces and pop. Downtown and (1.5 mi out) 60k pop, parking spaces 43k spaces. Indydt.com has Indy with over 70k spaces.
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