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View Poll Results: What year do you think Indianapolis will get its right to vote on a Mass Transit tax.
2013 2 15.38%
2014 2 15.38%
2015 1 7.69%
2016 0 0%
2017 1 7.69%
2018 0 0%
2019 or beyond 7 53.85%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-25-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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Oh young man ... we get our oil from Canada, not Iran.

Put away the tea. Seriously, you're not sounding very knowledgeable in this area.
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Yes, light rail is a pipe dream for central Indiana because it is just too spread out. Expanding bus service, if the people want it, is the best option for expanding mass transit.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:00 AM
 
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If the GOP in this state really believed in giving folks in Indy "choice," mass transit would be on the ballot in November.

Look, I recognize that you're young and conservative, but probably due to your age, you're not a crazy right-winger. Mike Pence, Eric Miller, Mike Delph and Brian Bosma all have something in common -- they're religious zealots and buffoons. With those jokers running this state, here's what'll be on the top of the agenda every session:

1. Personhood amendments
2. The continued push to constitutionally ban gay marriage
3. "Protecting the family"
4. Cuts to any social programs they feel, no matter how irrationally, threaten the "sanctity of life or of the family" (e.g. Planned Parenthood, Girl Scouts, etc.)
5. Tax cuts
6. Streamlined regulation and griping about regulation coming from Washington. More griping about Obamacare.
7. More tax cuts

Mass transit will be WAY, WAY down the list. In fact, they'll view it as a socialist, wealth distribution scheme.
Nice post.

Don't forget:

8. Prayer in school
9. Creationism in science class
10. Starting House sessions with Christian prayers
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:03 AM
 
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Yes, light rail is a pipe dream for central Indiana because it is just too spread out. Expanding bus service, if the people want it, is the best option for expanding mass transit.
No, light rail has a wonderful way of increasing density, as people move to be close to the rail stops.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:10 AM
 
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when I lived in Valpo, there was incredible resistance from the residents I talked to about bringing a commuter rail stop into Valpo because of "the element" that comes along with it. I asked them to expound on that statement and they said that people that live near train stops are criminals and poor. My jaw dropped.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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No, light rail has a wonderful way of increasing density, as people move to be close to the rail stops.
Well, that depends largely upon zoning. Also, density cannot be increased unless there is room to develop large scale housing developments.

If you examine the cities that have light rail that works most are in cities that have areas with much higher population densities than Indianapolis. In the newer cities that are developing light rail, from what I've seen, they are in corridors that contain more high rise housing developments and apartments and not so much in neighborhoods with lots of single family homes.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:38 AM
 
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when I lived in Valpo, there was incredible resistance from the residents I talked to about bringing a commuter rail stop into Valpo because of "the element" that comes along with it. I asked them to expound on that statement and they said that people that live near train stops are criminals and poor. My jaw dropped.
I've heard the same thing.

They probably take the Dan Ryan into the Loop and see the stops on the left side of the highway, so that colors their entire perception of what light rail is. They probably have also seen the Gary South Shore stops along 12, also coloring their perception.

If they never see the Ravenswood line, Linden St. line, Howard St. line or the Skokie Swift, or any of the affluent areas served by Metra, they have no idea what rail can do for a community.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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Well, that depends largely upon zoning. Also, density cannot be increased unless there is room to develop large scale housing developments.
You blow up what's there, and you build something new. Just work with the developers a little in building lines that make sense, and they'll handle the rest of it for you.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:43 AM
 
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You blow up what's there, and you build something new. Just work with the developers a little in building lines that make sense, and they'll handle the rest of it for you.
Do you mean by using Eminent Domain? It would seem to me that existing property owners might have a different opinion of what should happen to their properties should they choose to keep them and develop them in the manner they choose.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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when I lived in Valpo, there was incredible resistance from the residents I talked to about bringing a commuter rail stop into Valpo because of "the element" that comes along with it. I asked them to expound on that statement and they said that people that live near train stops are criminals and poor. My jaw dropped.
The Georgetown area of Washington DC has no metro stop for that exact reason. I'm surprised so many people from Fishers are clamoring for a train that passes by 38th Street.
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Old 02-25-2012, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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No need for iranian oil anymore.
Since the 1979 anti-American revolution in Iran and the 1980 hostage crisis, I doubt ANY Iranian oil has made it to the US. There is no relationship between the two countries not to mention sanctions, emargoes etc....
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