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Old 05-02-2012, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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OP asked nothing about Chicago and its politics. Keep this off topic crap elsewhere.
Couldn't have said it better myself ... very moddy of you TT!!!
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Old 05-03-2012, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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...As far as your pool reference, complete bunk honestly. Only C-D people think this is some how a race. It isn't. Cities must do and grow according to their own dynamics...We'll be China West within the next decade since they're propping us up big time right now and we won't slow down or is it Chinese States of America? Let me ask you, when the bill comes due and it always does, what are Americans going to do?

...Any type of entity runs out of money, oh we don't care, we're going to do what we're going to do and damn the consequences if not for us, our children and childrens' children. Indiana, there's a huge uproar with say our fine police department that somehow ran out of money although they knew their budget, run to the common council and think the citizenry wasn't going to be pissed about it and just fork over another 15 mil or so. Growth is like the torturous and the hare. It may seem great to go all out in the beginning but when it finally catches up with you, watch out. Smart growth, well planned out and steady.

You also realize you deal with the feds everyday. Every time you drive on an interstate, buy gas, every pay check, even your famed Chicago Public Transportation receives federal dollars just like IndyGo. You just don't deal with the feds once a year. If that were the case, you deal with the state once a year as well. State actions that are dictated by federal rule. It may not bother you that we have a 14 trillion dollar deficit but at some point someone going to want their money back. Might not be today, or next week, but down the line, everyone wants what's owed them, *cough* foreign bond holders included...

My pool reference was in regard to change. And when looking at it from that perspective, I don't think it is bunk.

When the bill comes due Americans will try to pass the bill off to others to pay. The truth is no one wants to pay for anything, really. Businesses don't "want" to pay taxes. Citizens don't "want" to pay taxes. Everyone wants tax breaks, but no one wants to sacrifice any of the services they personally use in order to balance out the breaks they receive.

As far as people doing what they want without regard to consequences, I feel that way about oil. People choosing to live in places where they have to drive a lot, or everywhere for that matter, aren't considering the consequences of their actions. Namely more use of oil means less oil down the road. And less supply means the price goes up.

And using something that is funded by someone, or something, is not the same as having to personally deal with them.
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Old 05-04-2012, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Default Yes.

Yes, they resist change, politely.
But those in power, do not resist change. They built a huge hotel (Marriot) and there will be talk of building another to get another Super Bowl. They changed the parking meters and passed right-to-work.
The change they resist is to let others have a piece of "their" pie.
The change they embrace is to make their pie bigger.
Straub left because he got sick of this attitude.
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:18 PM
 
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Yes, they resist change, politely.
But those in power, do not resist change. They built a huge hotel (Marriot) and there will be talk of building another to get another Super Bowl. They changed the parking meters and passed right-to-work.
The change they resist is to let others have a piece of "their" pie.
The change they embrace is to make their pie bigger.
Straub left because he got sick of this attitude.
Though they would deny it (perhaps because they don't see it), Indy locals shun anyone who refuses to conform to their expected norm. You can see it in the comments addressed to Ms. Erika.

It starts in the schools here, which are shockingly bad. They are still pumping out good little GM foot soldiers, even though all the GM plants are long gone. The model is about 20 years behind the times. They don't teach kids how to think here. They teach them to conform, and anyone who dares think is likely placed in a special needs environment. Graduates are ill equipped to deal with the world, which has changed dramatically. Immigrants shun Indianapolis, in no small part because the city is so unwelcoming and there is little opportunity here. Meanwhile, other peer cities like Minneapolis and Denver are immigrant magnets. These are things that the average Hoosier doesn't want to hear, but the statistics back me.

While I don't like change for the sake of change, I do think it is necessary when the old paradigm no longer applies. That makes me a pariah in Indianapolis.

What's sad about this is that there's a lot to work with here. This place could be special, but it is so mediocre. It is so contrived and the locals are perfectly fine with it. Says it all, really.
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Old 05-05-2012, 05:37 AM
 
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Though they would deny it (perhaps because they don't see it), Indy locals shun anyone who refuses to conform to their expected norm. You can see it in the comments addressed to Ms. Erika.

It starts in the schools here, which are shockingly bad. They are still pumping out good little GM foot soldiers, even though all the GM plants are long gone. The model is about 20 years behind the times. They don't teach kids how to think here. They teach them to conform, and anyone who dares think is likely placed in a special needs environment. Graduates are ill equipped to deal with the world, which has changed dramatically. Immigrants shun Indianapolis, in no small part because the city is so unwelcoming and there is little opportunity here. Meanwhile, other peer cities like Minneapolis and Denver are immigrant magnets. These are things that the average Hoosier doesn't want to hear, but the statistics back me.

While I don't like change for the sake of change, I do think it is necessary when the old paradigm no longer applies. That makes me a pariah in Indianapolis.

What's sad about this is that there's a lot to work with here. This place could be special, but it is so mediocre. It is so contrived and the locals are perfectly fine with it. Says it all, really.
First, I read you state that hoosiers are leaving Indianapolis in droves, which is so easy to disprove, now you state that immigrants shun Indianapolis even though it has an emerging immigrant scene? Your stats don't back up anything you've said so far.

Do you really know about the area schools? Most transplants look at IPS and automatically assume all districts follow that norm. Take a school district like Wayne Township (Indianapolis if you didn't know). Ben Davis, IB school, but Juniors and Seniors can also apply to BDU (Ben Davis University) where they earn dual credit in high school and Vincennes University. By the time they graduate, they're receiving their high school diploma AND their associates degree. Plain and simple, BDU students are graduating ahead of the curve and ahead of their counterparts. Considering most systems, opt in for the Career Center route like J. Everett Light (North Central, Carmel) or Central Nine (Greenwood, Whiteland, Franklin Central). Just like the other schools BD has AP classes in the main school as well as BDU. Graduating at 18, two years away from a Bachelors and a degree under their belt and ready to add to it if they so choose to.
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Old 05-06-2012, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Central Indiana/Indy metro area
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The problem with this article was that it was light on one fact: For every change that is discussed, there are negatives associated with those changes. For starters, almost every change will cost the productive class money. Sitting in traffic due to reduced travel lanes costs time, time is money. Sitting in traffic burns more gas, gas is money. I'm not sure folks would shun change if they weren't asked to part with more and more money to bring about this great "change." This is the problem with folks who constantly want change: They support it so long as they don't have to carry the bulk of the funding.

Her initial opening dealing with Straub is very one-sided as well. She would have done good maybe doing her own audit. I've heard claims that Straub authorized a complete remodel of his departments office. Blogs and news media sites have thrown out numbers around $1,000,000. In addition, he hired a slew of "deputy directors" which I heard were jobs paying in the upper five figures, if not six-figures.

With smoking and such, bans are against rights. No one is forced to eat at a smoke filled restaurant. Don't worry though, I'm pushing for the next big ban: Public consumption of alcohol. It is now in its infant stages, but we will get there. I shouldn't have to worry about drunk drivers on roads I pay for, and most drunk driving is caused by people out at commercial establishments being served way too much. The places close and push the people they assisted in getting intoxicated out into the city, for them to get into thousand pound missiles. They then drive those missiles into the vehicles of other people. Working around second hand smoke may kill you 30 to 40 years down the road. Getting t-boned or hit head-on at 60MPH can kill you right then and there. It is time to limit how many servings of alcohol a place can serve any one person. And I'm going to support breathalyzer machines as mandatory for automobiles in the future. The technology is here, so we need to use it....for the children!

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I believe that Indianapolis tends to be slow to accept change and support progressive ideas. I think that is a major difference between the north suburbs and Indianapolis. The north suburbs, especially Carmel and Westfield, enthusiastically embrace change and aggressively plan and build for the future. Indianapolis and most of the other suburbs lag far behind.
Progressive ideas are usually socialist leaning ideals: Take from a certain group of people to benefit a larger group of people. The take is money, and for the most part, people are sick of giving the fruits of their labor to others, especially when they see nothing of substance in return. It is very easy for Carmel and Westfield to do things when they have no need to fund twice the number of cops to patrol a large area of lower income neighborhoods. Very easy when you don't have to pay property taxes to support a large, costly county hospital system for the residents of those lower income areas.

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I know we live in that instant gratification time and our dear columnist appears to be part of that.
I agree with most everything in your post. Your above quote is what will be the death blow to what we know historically as America. The government continues to grow, every little second of every person's life is controlled. More rules, more regulations....people throw their hands up in the air, say "screw it." If your not making huge money, why even try. Want your daughters college paid for, tell her to become a single mother, check some sort of minority race on various funding applications, watch the cash come flowing in. We don't criticize bad behavior, we now reward it. The rewarding causes the need for more change, more social programs, more rules and regs. We have to steal from the middle class because the rich already pay the bulk of the bill(s). This just means the middle class works just as hard, for less...and eventually being a productive, middle class member of society will be for suckers. Just take, take, and take some more...party it up in life, let others feed, cloth, and education your kids, your own self, etc.. This is where we are heading, all for instant gratification. The Me, Myself, and I American way of thinking.
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:08 PM
 
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Indiana is still stuck in the days of prohibition (across the board), no surprises there
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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Indiana is still stuck in the days of prohibition (across the board), no surprises there
oh for the love of god go troll somewhere else with your stupid Kansas City sterotypes
Everytime you trash talk Indiana you give me yet another reason to never bother with Kansas City.
Jesus is Kansas City really that terrible of a place that they have to Trash Talk other people/places down to try and make themselves *look better?*
I dont blame Wradio for moving to Indianapolis then. very smart move of him
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Old 05-10-2012, 04:57 PM
 
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oh for the love of god go troll somewhere else with your stupid Kansas City sterotypes
Everytime you trash talk Indiana you give me yet another reason to never bother with Kansas City.
Jesus is Kansas City really that terrible of a place that they have to Trash Talk other people/places down to try and make themselves *look better?*
I dont blame Wradio for moving to Indianapolis then. very smart move of him

You trash talk Illinois all the time in order to make Indiana look better.
Does that make YOU feel superior?
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Old 05-10-2012, 05:01 PM
 
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oh for the love of god go troll somewhere else with your stupid Kansas City sterotypes
Everytime you trash talk Indiana you give me yet another reason to never bother with Kansas City.
Jesus is Kansas City really that terrible of a place that they have to Trash Talk other people/places down to try and make themselves *look better?*
I dont blame Wradio for moving to Indianapolis then. very smart move of him
Don't you have some warcraft to play?
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