Super Bowl 2018 (Hope: campus, business, developments)

[msamhunter]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

Blowing smoke up you know what! So now Naptown has gotten a big head and think they're in the top tier of cities now . The NFL did it because WE the taxpayers built a new stadium for the rich owner, so that the NFL can use.

I will BOLDLY proclaim that we will NOT get it. If for some reason we do (we won't) I'll come back on here and say how wrong I was. Hold me to it. But what do I get for being right??

Well seeing how you were wrong last time, I'll go the opposite way.

[timothyaw]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

Well seeing how you were wrong last time, I'll go the opposite way.

O K A Y

[Toxic Toast]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

Blowing smoke up you know what! So now Naptown has gotten a big head and think they're in the top tier of cities now . The NFL did it because WE the taxpayers built a new stadium for the rich owner, so that the NFL can use.

I will BOLDLY proclaim that we will NOT get it. If for some reason we do (we won't) I'll come back on here and say how wrong I was. Hold me to it. But what do I get for being right??

You dedicated the weeks leading up to the Super Bowl telling us what a disaster the Super Bowl would be, and how much the national media would rip Indy a new one.

Guess what, you were wrong, and no one cares. Keep hating.

[thefallensrvnge]

Well I believe rain is an ancient sign of good luck. Anybody else dance in the pouring streets downtown today?


Good lucky Indy.

[missik999]

I am fairly certain that Indy will get at least one more Super Bowl. But beyond that will depend on the weather.

If there is a bad ice storm, like we had in 2011 during Super Bowl week that will probably be the end of it. Even a major snowfall will put a damper on Super Bowl week activities. It doesn't matter how well prepared Indy is, bad weather would take the fun out the week's activities.

If by some chance we would have the unseasonably warm temperatures that we had this year, I think Indy stands a good chance of getting on the regular rotation.

[Broadrippleguy]

Originally Posted by missik999

I am fairly certain that Indy will get at least one more Super Bowl. But beyond that will depend on the weather.

If there is a bad ice storm, like we had in 2011 during Super Bowl week that will probably be the end of it. Even a major snowfall will put a damper on Super Bowl week activities. It doesn't matter how well prepared Indy is, bad weather would take the fun out the week's activities.

If by some chance we would have the unseasonably warm temperatures that we had this year, I think Indy stands a good chance of getting on the regular rotation.

well then by god by that streach PRAY FOR GLOBAL WARMING! lol.

[indy_317]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

Well according to the IBJ article the city produced a direct economic impact of $176 million and 277 million once you factor in extra wages. For the city to be out 1.1 million in producing and putting on the SB that's one hell of a benefit to the city and on the surface anyway, some of the best advertising dollars one could ever spend to reap such that high of a reward.

Look at it as an investment. Cities need to invest in themselves which yes will always cost money. Hoosiers in general balk at anything tax related as with most places but moreso in Indiana than anywhere else. At the end of the day though, you have to spend money to make it.

The problem is what is done with the money afterwards, and how things are spent. The Irsay contract is a horrible contract. The city and/or state should be getting more from the stadium. I have no problems with avoidable taxes. The Irsay/Simon/Convention center taxes can easily be avoided by either not eating out, or deducting 2% from the tip one would leave. The goal should be maximize profits for the government, which in theory is the people at large. Most of the income made should be focused on paying down debt used to fund the project. Once the debt is paid off, then use the money for streets, police, fire, etc.. It shouldn't be maximized profits for a handful of folks (billionaire sport team owners, the players themselves, etc.).

As far as these direct economic impact statements, there really is no way to know if they are really all that truthful. They focus on just the good, but not the bad. Thousands of people from outside the metro area came to Indy and most likely did spend money eating out. However, while that is a positive for the place they ate at downtown, it is a negative for the place they likely, or may have, eaten at back home but didn't. The server who is used to seeing a $60s in tips from a handful of different families every weekend in Columbus might disagree when that $60s went to servers in downtown Indy.

Originally Posted by timothyaw

The NFL did it because WE the taxpayers built a new stadium for the rich owner, so that the NFL can use.


I will BOLDLY proclaim that we will NOT get it. If for some reason we do (we won't) I'll come back on here and say how wrong I was. Hold me to it. But what do I get for being right??

While the Super Bowl did very well here, lets face it, we got lucky when it came to the weather. We got the Super Bowl because we built a stadium, and the NFL wants taxpayer money to build these very costly venues. The NFL will have to allow a snow belt cities a Super Bowl at least once every 10-15 years. Any snow belt cities with enclosed stadiums will likely have a better chance than open air stadiums. It wouldn't surprise me to see some sort of 3:1 or 4:1 rotation. Three sunshine locations in a row, then one snow location. Or four sunshine locations, then the next year snow.


Minnesota is going to get their new stadium, so their taxpayers and elected officials are going to be putting huge pressure to get a Super Bowl within a few years of it opening up. If the NFL wants taxpayers to continue building billion dollar Taj Mahals for the team owners, they are going to have to share where the Super Bowl is held. Indy will be in a rotation, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is a 15-20 year rotation.

[msamhunter]

Originally Posted by indy_317

The problem is what is done with the money afterwards, and how things are spent. The Irsay contract is a horrible contract. The city and/or state should be getting more from the stadium. I have no problems with avoidable taxes. The Irsay/Simon/Convention center taxes can easily be avoided by either not eating out, or deducting 2% from the tip one would leave. The goal should be maximize profits for the government, which in theory is the people at large. Most of the income made should be focused on paying down debt used to fund the project. Once the debt is paid off, then use the money for streets, police, fire, etc.. It shouldn't be maximized profits for a handful of folks (billionaire sport team owners, the players themselves, etc.).

As far as these direct economic impact statements, there really is no way to know if they are really all that truthful. They focus on just the good, but not the bad. Thousands of people from outside the metro area came to Indy and most likely did spend money eating out. However, while that is a positive for the place they ate at downtown, it is a negative for the place they likely, or may have, eaten at back home but didn't. The server who is used to seeing a $60s in tips from a handful of different families every weekend in Columbus might disagree when that $60s went to servers in downtown Indy.

A city never makes a profit. Its income is based on the taxes it receives. If its business owners and taxpayers do good, the city receives more and thereby have more additional income. When the taxpayers and business owners do better, they pay more in state taxes. Again, it trickles down to more income to the cities. It is in the city's best interest to provide as much opportunity as possible to any business or person. It can only help create feasible conditions and then it's up to the individuals or entities to do the rest.

Your analogy about the servers is moot. So what. It's not Indianapolis' job to make sure Columbus or anywhere else continues to do business just like it isn't that places' job to make sure Indianapolis does. They are competitors and if the shoe were on the other foot, you better believe they wouldn't be thinking of Indianapolis. Plus Columbus is a poor example because it is within that 50 mile radius of Indianapolis and actually did see benefit. The economic impact is from outside that radius. Bad for them, good for us. Life just happens like that sometimes so which side would you rather be on. The one getting or the one losing? It's that simple.

I know you guys like the whole everything be fair bit, but fact remains it's not, has never been and will never be. You'll win some, you'll lose some, take your licks and keep on keepin on.

While the Super Bowl did very well here, lets face it, we got lucky when it came to the weather. We got the Super Bowl because we built a stadium, and the NFL wants taxpayer money to build these very costly venues. The NFL will have to allow a snow belt cities a Super Bowl at least once every 10-15 years. Any snow belt cities with enclosed stadiums will likely have a better chance than open air stadiums. It wouldn't surprise me to see some sort of 3:1 or 4:1 rotation. Three sunshine locations in a row, then one snow location. Or four sunshine locations, then the next year snow.


Minnesota is going to get their new stadium, so their taxpayers and elected officials are going to be putting huge pressure to get a Super Bowl within a few years of it opening up. If the NFL wants taxpayers to continue building billion dollar Taj Mahals for the team owners, they are going to have to share where the Super Bowl is held. Indy will be in a rotation, but it wouldn't surprise me if it is a 15-20 year rotation.

Well, no one know what would have happened if it would have been a typical Indianapolis winter. They were both East Coast teams and used to the same winters as we have here. Odds are, nothing would have changed. The residents here would have still went out and enjoyed themselves and the east coasters still would have visited. If weather was always such a fact, why have the winter olympics. It's too cold right. Yes, this winter was mild, year before that unexpected ice storm for the Big D. Two atypical situations.

[Toxic Toast]

Nice blog from the IBJ highlighting some of the hurdles facing Indianapolis and another Super Bowl bid.

Stadium size, hotel space to be issue for 2018 Super Bowl bid | 2012-07-19 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

[timothyaw]

Originally Posted by Toxic Toast

Nice blog from the IBJ highlighting some of the hurdles facing Indianapolis and another Super Bowl bid.

Stadium size, hotel space to be issue for 2018 Super Bowl bid | 2012-07-19 | Indianapolis Business Journal | IBJ.com

Thanks for the link, interesting article.