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Old 05-31-2014, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Yes they are still downtown.

I will add try these 2 delis that are good and were better located and cheaper than shaperos

Jasons deli on meridan and mccallisters deli at keystone and 116th.
Chains, and IMO, not better than Shapiro's. If you have access to an Indy icon, why go to those others? I will say that Jason's offers a solid hot pastrami.
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Old 06-01-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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Yeah, I have to jump on the bandwagon here and say SOME of the problems you describe have nothing to do with Indy and everything to do with the fact that you moved to Carmel, and for a job in downtown at that. You are wasting your time and money driving on the (crappy) roads for what reason? Your top 3 locations to live are probably Downtown, Fountain Square, and Broad Ripple. You will find it much more to your liking than Carmel. It will solve the crappy roads/long-drives-to-get-around-the-area problem, and it will solve the chain restaurant problem (tons of local options in these 3 areas). It takes you an HOUR to get in your seat at the Pacers? From downtown or fountain square it would take you 15 minutes tops, which includes the security check, you wouldn't have to pay for parking, and if you drink you don't have to worry about how many beers you've had.

With that said, even though I live downtown and mostly hang out in those 3 places I just mentioned, there DOES seem to be a strong bias in Indiana against urban living. People don't get it (i.e., they don't get WHY anyone would want to live in an urban area). Partly this is because compared to other cities in the US, there are relatively few young, highly educated, relatively well-off people here. Those who are all seem to have kids. That IS a cultural thing. The attitude here seems to be "why would you want to pay more to live near all the cool stuff when you could pay less to live 45 minutes away in a generic suburb and have a huge house?" There is correspondingly a very conservative attitude toward public services: everyone loves to brag about the low cost of living, and they don't care about the fact that low taxes means crappy public services, for example, the poor transit system, the lack of sidewalks and bike lanes in many areas, etc. Of course, why would you care about the transit system if your ideal house is on a cul-de-sac? Whenever new development downtown is announced, the first comments tend to be people complaining that there will be a lack of parking (never mind that DT Indy has the cheapest parking I've ever seen).
I totally disagree with your comparison to other cities remark. The Hoosier bias against urban living may be cultural but education and income has little to do with it. Approximately 30.7% of metropolitan Indianapolis residents have colleges degrees and the metro area has a high medium household income when compared to other area throughout the United States.

For example if you move the bar to $80,000 on the map in the link provided below you will notice that Columbus, Indianapolis and Minneapolis are the only midwest metropolitan areas highlighted on the map. Take notice that Charlotte, Raleigh, Portland, Austin, San Antonio (cities CD loves to compare Indy against) are absent. My point is trying to make the area out to be poor and uneducated wrong.

Islands of High Income
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:55 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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I totally disagree with your comparison to other cities remark. The Hoosier bias against urban living may be cultural but education and income has little to do with it. Approximately 30.7% of metropolitan Indianapolis residents have colleges degrees and the metro area has a high medium household income when compared to other area throughout the United States.

For example if you move the bar to $80,000 on the map in the link provided below you will notice that Columbus, Indianapolis and Minneapolis are the only midwest metropolitan areas highlighted on the map. Take notice that Charlotte, Raleigh, Portland, Austin, San Antonio (cities CD loves to compare Indy against) are absent. My point is trying to make the area out to be poor and uneducated wrong.

Islands of High Income
I looked at this and this is most likely Hamilton County. Granted, this is a good accomplishment, especially for a fairly low cost metro, but comparing the affluence of the northern suburbs to the entire metro is a bit silly. I've driven through parts of the city where many homes are boarded up, people just milling about the streets for seemingly no reason, etc. There is still a lot of blight and run-down industrial areas in Indianapolis and the "Rust Belt" that is probably not going to be as common as in the newer Sunbelt cities. I'd also wager that the crime in the Indy metro as a whole is going to be quite a bit more than those other cities highlighted, with the exception of Oakland in the Bay Area and Baltimore (if it's highlighted). I come from a high crime area, so I'm used to all the daily reports of killings and violence, but someone coming from the Twin Cities or a truly safe area would probably be shocked at the amount of crime here.

I will check out some of these restaurants. I've done some looking around on Urbanspoon and there is quite a bit more than I originally thought.

The roads are what they are. I was coming from Cincinnati and I-74W yesterday and the road substantially worsened around the Honda plan in Greensburg (?). It's just something I'm going to have live with and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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I totally disagree with your comparison to other cities remark. The Hoosier bias against urban living may be cultural but education and income has little to do with it. Approximately 30.7% of metropolitan Indianapolis residents have colleges degrees and the metro area has a high medium household income when compared to other area throughout the United States.

For example if you move the bar to $80,000 on the map in the link provided below you will notice that Columbus, Indianapolis and Minneapolis are the only midwest metropolitan areas highlighted on the map. Take notice that Charlotte, Raleigh, Portland, Austin, San Antonio (cities CD loves to compare Indy against) are absent. My point is trying to make the area out to be poor and uneducated wrong.

Islands of High Income

I agree with Emigrations on this..... Hamilton county being highlighted after 80 grand is misleading to what the Indy metro really is....

Marion County disappears at $44,000, and Hamilton County is the only county in the metro at $70,000, while Chicago has plenty more than just one as you can see. Hamilton County has under 300,000 people, which isn't that big when you compare it to other counties in metro areas. The counties that the Chicago area has highlighted at $70,000 I bet add up to be over 2 million I bet, which is more people that the Indianapolis metro has as a whole.

(BTW this is a personal oppinion, but I feel that the boundaries given to the Indy metro are a huge stretch, and seeing the CSA boundaries makes me want to swallow a cactus.)

Soon, you're going to start seeing lower income residences being built in Hamilton county as more people from the city of Indianapolis will search for an escape of the horrible school system that IPS is without moving too far from family. It's happened in other big cities and will continue to happen. The way to measure a wealth and education of an entire region would be to take the average of all of the counties included in the Metro. Indy would look great until you add in Marion County, which holds half of the metro's population. When you add Marion county, all of the numbers will take a huge drop, and the Indy metro will turn out to be a little above average when comparing it to other US metros.

Indy has seen a huge spike in crime rates, especially violent crime. It's just following the trend of all other major blue collar cities across the US.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:37 PM
 
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I totally disagree with your comparison to other cities remark. The Hoosier bias against urban living may be cultural but education and income has little to do with it. Approximately 30.7% of metropolitan Indianapolis residents have colleges degrees and the metro area has a high medium household income when compared to other area throughout the United States.

For example if you move the bar to $80,000 on the map in the link provided below you will notice that Columbus, Indianapolis and Minneapolis are the only midwest metropolitan areas highlighted on the map. Take notice that Charlotte, Raleigh, Portland, Austin, San Antonio (cities CD loves to compare Indy against) are absent. My point is trying to make the area out to be poor and uneducated wrong.

Islands of High Income

You said you watch the Pacers right?

Ok how do you like this:

Paul George is Hamilton County, underrated at first, but then once people caught on he was overrated as he wasn't what everyone thought he was. (I think he will be, but not just yet.)
- How? Hamilton County just started to be a big deal last decade. It hasn't earned bragging rights yet.
David West is Johnson County, a solid player that you know what you're going to get from him every game. A player that every fan loves. B+ player.
- How? Johnson County has the oldest suburbs but is still growing at a steady pace. Definitely a county with a good quality of life, but it's not going to be as attractive as Hamilton County.
Roy Hibbert is Shelby County. He has one good game every month, and crashed ever since the all-star break.
- How? Indiana Grand Casino is the all-star break, and Shelby county will probably be removed from the list of counties apart of the metro in the near future. If not it should be, because Shelby County is like Roy Hibbert. It doesn't contribute. It only has 20,000 people.
Lance Stephenson is Marion County. He is the energizer for the team but gets fined a lot for being ridiculous and has had criminal charges against him in the past.
- How? Indy is the epicenter of the metro, where everything happens. Lots of crime happens here though which drags the value down.
George Hill is Hendricks county. He's an average point guard, and that's all he'll ever be.
- How? Yes he was born in Marion county, but he's to passive to be Marion county. Avon and the Hendricks county area is the most average of a suburban county that I have ever come across in my life, and I've been to St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, Lexington, Louisville, and damn near every other metro you can think of in the mid-west.
CJ Watson is Putnam County. Who the hell is CJ Watson? Exactly, what the hell is Putnam County, and how the hell is it apart of the metro area?!?!
Luis Scola is Hancock county. Sorta important, but sorta not.
Chris Copeland is every other county added into the CSA. All of the fans love Copeland, and all of Indianapolis loves including Jennings county, Bartholomew County, and Anderson and Muncie as apart of the Indianapolis Metro because it makes Indy look better, but everyone knows that Copeland sucks, and everyone knows that Muncie, Columbus, Lafayette, North Vernon, and Anderson shouldn't be apart of the metro, there are to many corn fields in between each of those places to count it as a "Metropolis."


I had fun with that.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:21 PM
 
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I looked at this and this is most likely Hamilton County. Granted, this is a good accomplishment, especially for a fairly low cost metro, but comparing the affluence of the northern suburbs to the entire metro is a bit silly. I've driven through parts of the city where many homes are boarded up, people just milling about the streets for seemingly no reason, etc. There is still a lot of blight and run-down industrial areas in Indianapolis and the "Rust Belt" that is probably not going to be as common as in the newer Sunbelt cities. I'd also wager that the crime in the Indy metro as a whole is going to be quite a bit more than those other cities highlighted, with the exception of Oakland in the Bay Area and Baltimore (if it's highlighted). I come from a high crime area, so I'm used to all the daily reports of killings and violence, but someone coming from the Twin Cities or a truly safe area would probably be shocked at the amount of crime here.

I will check out some of these restaurants. I've done some looking around on Urbanspoon and there is quite a bit more than I originally thought.

The roads are what they are. I was coming from Cincinnati and I-74W yesterday and the road substantially worsened around the Honda plan in Greensburg (?). It's just something I'm going to have live with and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it.
For a person who have only been in the area for two month you sure pretend like you know the area intimately. I posted the Census chart replying to wetrat0 claims that, "compared to other cities in the US, there are relatively few young, highly educated, relatively well-off people here." Don't shoot the messenger. You can disagree with the Census data chart but it's not like I'm making an unsourced statement. The point is there are several pockets in the metro area that have an affluent class. Believe it or not the metropolitan area is more than just Hamilton County. There are affluent areas in Hancock, Hendrick and Johnson counties which are also part of the metro area. To be more specific in Indianapolis (Marion County) there are several very exclusive enclaves for the the wealthy. For example you have Golden Hill, Crows Nest, Meridian Hills, Williams Creek, Lake Kesslerwood, Lake Charevoix and Brendonwood. Medium family income of these areas go from about $120,000 upwards.
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:19 PM
 
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For a person who have only been in the area for two month you sure pretend like you know the area intimately. I posted the Census chart replying to wetrat0 claims that, "compared to other cities in the US, there are relatively few young, highly educated, relatively well-off people here." Don't shoot the messenger. You can disagree with the Census data chart but it's not like I'm making an unsourced statement. The point is there are several pockets in the metro area that have an affluent class. Believe it or not the metropolitan area is more than just Hamilton County. There are affluent areas in Hancock, Hendrick and Johnson counties which are also part of the metro area. To be more specific in Indianapolis (Marion County) there are several very exclusive enclaves for the the wealthy. For example you have Golden Hill, Crows Nest, Meridian Hills, Williams Creek, Lake Kesslerwood, Lake Charevoix and Brendonwood. Medium family income of these areas go from about $120,000 upwards.
I think you're shooting him more than he ever was shooting at you. Just because he's only been here for a few months doesn't mean he can't have an opinion. I've been in Indy for 3 years but in my own opinion you only have to be here for two months to know the place, which it sounds like he does.
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Old 06-03-2014, 04:26 AM
 
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I want to add that there are a lot of people I meet that have lived here for decades and dont know much about anything but their little corner of the city and dont want to know anything else.

It always amazes me what new things and places are in Indy. Seems to change every day.
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:11 AM
 
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I want to add that there are a lot of people I meet that have lived here for decades and dont know much about anything but their little corner of the city and dont want to know anything else.

It always amazes me what new things and places are in Indy. Seems to change every day.

I am not one that finds new things in Indy that I haven't seen before. Those people that never venture out of their corner of the city, that doesn't sound like that's who Emigrations is. Hell, if I lived in a city for decades I would know the whole damned state through and through. That's just me though.

What new things and places are in Indy? How do they change everyday? Please explain.
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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I am not one that finds new things in Indy that I haven't seen before. Those people that never venture out of their corner of the city, that doesn't sound like that's who Emigrations is. Hell, if I lived in a city for decades I would know the whole damned state through and through. That's just me though.

What new things and places are in Indy? How do they change everyday? Please explain.
Do you know what Fountain Square looked like 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

Do you know what the so-called "South Broad Ripple" area looked like 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

Do you know what the near east side looked like 10 years ago? 5 years ago?

Do you know what Fall Creek Place looked like 10 years ago? 5 years ago?
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