Can Trump save their jobs? (Indianapolis, Washington: section 8, sales, 2013)

[msamhunter]

Originally Posted by Ivory Lee Spurlock

On the other hand, when you cut people off from their jobs by moving their jobs overseas, that directly impacts workers in the US.

Don't know whey they "can't just start making them" here again. They were able to "start just making them" overseas when they moved the jobs overseas.

Not true. Automakers for the most part has always made cars in the country they are selling in. Why do you think there are Ford plants in Mexico, Brazil, Germany, etc and why there are Toyota plants here in the us. This isn't new nor some recent event. It's cost.

A car manufacturer would never make a profit only making their vehicles in one nation just due to the tonnage they would have to pay to ship them. It's s cheaper and better business practice for them to make the vehicles in the country they are selling in with local workers. It's been this way forever with good reason. Don't let the politicians snow you.

[Sculptor]

Originally Posted by Ivory Lee Spurlock

Don't know whey they "can't just start making them" here again. They were able to "start just making them" overseas when they moved the jobs overseas.

Because NO ONE is going to pay $99 for a shirt they currently can buy at Walmart made in Pakistan or something for $4.99

They also won't pay $3,000 for a big screen TV made in America when they can get one made overseas for $299, what will happen is people will simply stop buying what they don't NEED. People today buy by PRICE, they want the cheapest price and don't care about quality any more because they know when that $299 big screen TV or computer dies in a couple of years, they willo be ready for a bigger or different one anyway because they are CHEAP and basically disposable junk not worth fixing even.

The cheap price is why most people buy this Chinese made junk in the first place, if they had to spend twice what this stuff costs most will just walk on by and not buy anything.

[SoHoVe]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

Not true. Automakers for the most part has always made cars in the country they are selling in. Why do you think there are Ford plants in Mexico, Brazil, Germany, etc and why there are Toyota plants here in the us. This isn't new nor some recent event. It's cost.

A car manufacturer would never make a profit only making their vehicles in one nation just due to the tonnage they would have to pay to ship them. It's s cheaper and better business practice for them to make the vehicles in the country they are selling in with local workers. It's been this way forever with good reason. Don't let the politicians snow you.

This isnt about shipping costs (at least for US imports) its about getting around import tax rates and actually cars haven't been assembled outside their country of origin "forever" this has only been common place fairly recently, like say within the last 20 years.

It reflects nothing more than a tax loop hole in the US.

[ShiverMeTimber]

Originally Posted by mcdonaldindy

honestly this good way to show how stupid some companies are.
They deserve to be hammered by tariffs and trump.
2016 was a presidential election year. We knew that for years.
However carrier, ford, rexonald and others still announced they are moving jobs to mexico before the election.
Short sightedness has consequences and these businesses deserve it

x2.

[ShiverMeTimber]

Originally Posted by Sculptor

Because NO ONE is going to pay $99 for a shirt they currently can buy at Walmart made in Pakistan or something for $4.99

They also won't pay $3,000 for a big screen TV made in America when they can get one made overseas for $299, what will happen is people will simply stop buying what they don't NEED. People today buy by PRICE, they want the cheapest price and don't care about quality any more because they know when that $299 big screen TV or computer dies in a couple of years, they willo be ready for a bigger or different one anyway because they are CHEAP and basically disposable junk not worth fixing even.

The cheap price is why most people buy this Chinese made junk in the first place, if they had to spend twice what this stuff costs most will just walk on by and not buy anything.

We can still be competitve. My grandmother worked in a small town t-shirt factory that employed 500 people. My grandfather spent 35 years at a textile mill until the mid 90s. Their products were not that expensive and he got a sweet pension and retirement. Nafta and gatt closed those factorys and sent them overseas. That's why we have grown adults working at mcdonalds.

When the factorys come back, the shirts might cost a bit more but not the $100 you claim. I think $15 or $20 for a US quality **** is a fair price.

[Knox Harrington]

Originally Posted by ShiverMeTimber

We can still be competitve. My grandmother worked in a small town t-shirt factory that employed 500 people. My grandfather spent 35 years at a textile mill until the mid 90s. Their products were not that expensive and he got a sweet pension and retirement. Nafta and gatt closed those factorys and sent them overseas.

Wrong.

The rise of China, and the opening up of their markets is what sent those jobs overseas.

It stands to reason that a poor country with billions of eligible workers will start siphoning jobs, once they open up their markets.

Those jobs are gone for good. Stop shopping at Walmart if you don't like it, and start buying textiles from local manufactures. They are out there, but shirts usually cost 10x+ what the Chinese shirts cost.

[Ivory Lee Spurlock]

Originally Posted by Knox Harrington

Wrong.

The rise of China, and the opening up of their markets is what sent those jobs overseas.

It stands to reason that a poor country with billions of eligible workers will start siphoning jobs, once they open up their markets.

Those jobs are gone for good. Stop shopping at Walmart if you don't like it, and start buying textiles from local manufactures. They are out there, but shirts usually cost 10x+ what the Chinese shirts cost.

Trump's gonna fix that loophole that favors the Chinese to make it more fair and square for the USA and not so lopsided that favors the Chinese.

I do believe from the bottom of my heart Trump will do what he thinks is best for all of Americans in general and blue collar working class American's in particular.

Try and have a little faith in Trump. Trump knows how to make deals. Deal making is what he does. Give him a chance and see how things go for the USA in the next 4 years.

Let's not do to Trump what the Republicans did to Obama and obstruct him on nearly every single issue. I hope the Democrats and the establishment Republicans can rise above obstructing Trump, and give him a fair chance to lead America to success. What is it that Michelle Obama has been saying for the past month or so, something like "when they go low, we go high." Thats some good advice as a good way to conduct yourself when everything about you as a person is being viciously attacked.

[eok]

Originally Posted by Ivory Lee Spurlock

Try and have a little faith in Trump. Trump knows how to make deals. Deal making is what he does. Give him a chance and see how things go for the USA in the next 4 years.

How do you know he really knows how to make deals without going bankrupt in the process? How do you know he actually earns any money? Have you seen his tax returns?

Maybe the true art of deal making is the art of deceiving people into thinking they're getting a deal, while at the same time hiding the truth from them, by making them think the truth doesn't matter, and you should just believe the word of the used-car salesman who smooth-talks you into buying a clunker for ten times what it's really worth.

[Vacanegro]

Originally Posted by wombleywomberly

How does government bribing companies to remain in a particular location using taxpayer funded subsidies or "suspending" tax revenues work, long-term?

When the gravy train stops, won't the corporations involved act in their best interest and sell their "jobs" to the next bidder somewhere else?

Yes, of course. BUT we don't live in a perfect capitalist economy with easy movement of resources. Most other countries often blantently favor their national industries often to their own detriment but always to the detriment of the US worker.

We don't need to encourage the process by permitting body-shopping companies (like Tech Mahindra) to use the H1B Visa syste for overseas workers, many of whom have forged IT certifications so they can replace American IT workers (Disney). How about a US tax policy that encourages retention of US employees (like Apple in Ireland).

There are many ways to solve the problems.

[sheerbliss]

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As for H1Bs, except possibly in a few niches, there's no shortage of US STEM workers (science, technology, engineering and math). According to the report linked to below, there are 277,000 STEM vacancies per year in the US, which could be filled by (among other things) 11.4 million STEM degree holders working outside of STEM fields.

When employers complain about a shortage, they mean a shortage at the level of compensation they're offering. As a former engineer, I think what a lot of employers want is a hundred qualified applicants for every job, who need absolutely no training or professional development, who are willing to work on a contract basis (i.e., no benefits) for a fraction of what they might have made if they'd gone into accounting or finance or programming. When there's an actual shortage, you see what happened to petroleum engineering: salaries went over the moon, even for petroleum engineers with nothing but an undergraduate degree and no experience.

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