Most dangerous neighborhood in Indianapolis? (Fishers, Monon: insurance, college, live in)

[indyishome]

And here channel 6,8, & 13 + Indpls. Star has been filling my head with (lies?) stories from Hamilton County about the unusally high rate of drug users and sellers, especially students of Hamilton co. schools. Usage and Selling problems that surpass anything in IPS. Damn, those little white kids could sure give the drug trade in the meadows a run for their money.

[argonamy]

Originally Posted by Ravekid

Franklin Township is pretty safe if you ask me. In addition, the far: South side, SW side, NW side, North side, and NE side are all pretty decent. You just have to watch out for the Section 8 complexes, they are starting to spread to the complexes that were built in these areas back in the 80s/90s. Looks can be deceiving when it comes to apartment complexes. If the complex takes Section 8 vouchers, they are required, I believe, to display the HUD logo/icon on their entry signs. This is the little house logo. To poor people, it means "come on in!" To decent people, it means "Warning: Stay away."

Good to know Ravekid...I will be looking out for this logo when I move there so I know where to AVOID! Being in law enforcement for 5 years...I know what goes on in those places although where I live you can find the same types of people who act like many of the Section 8ers living in the 'nicer' homes doing the same things. It isn't as obvious around here and you get military families moving in who didn't do their research and get SURPRISED when they start getting their stuff stolen from their cars, people lingering around their backyards at odd hrs of the night, drugs being dealt and used 2 apartments down.

[locean]

Originally Posted by TDE

you guys are hilarious.

Most murders/assault are between people who know each other, and over Drugs, Money, or Women. Very seldom is it random.

If you're minding your own business, chances are nothing will happen to you.

I guess the people who are attacked on the Monon Trail might be interested in learning that.

[Toxic Toast]

Originally Posted by locean

I guess the people who are attacked on the Monon Trail might be interested in learning that.

He said "very seldom" is it not random. Yes, attacks on the monon are rare. 5 out of thousands is rare. Scary, but rare.

[chalcedony]

I really wonder how many of those apartment complexes that Ravekid mentions are Section 8. The famed HUD logo (the little house with the equal sign in it) simply means the apartment complexes comply with federal standards for equal housing opportunity. Thus, they can achieve non-discrimination compliance by a number of means, and it doesn't have to be Section 8--if they simply have a certain portion of renters of minority race they may very well comply. That said, Section 8 is a cash cow for landlords so they are often willing to do it because they get more money through federal matching funds than they would at market rate.

Any way you slice it, apartment complexes depreciate quickly. Usually by the time a complex is 20 years old, it would be considered "Class B" because the landlords don't do major upkeep in between new leases, and tenants of apartment complexes don't tend to take care of them because it isn't their property. Thus, these buildings start seeming second-tier after a short time, and the management cannot offer as high of rents, which is what then starts to attract low-income people--if there's an increase in crime at that point, the apartments go further downhill...so it becomes a cycle until a management company does another serious renovation.

This is why in many parts of Indy the neighborhoods with homeowners are still quite nice whereas the apartment complexes close by are pretty undesirable. Most of the complexes in Indy are now older than 1980s.

[BU191433]

Originally Posted by chalcedony

I really wonder how many of those apartment complexes that Ravekid mentions are Section 8. The famed HUD logo (the little house with the equal sign in it) simply means the apartment complexes comply with federal standards for equal housing opportunity. Thus, they can achieve non-discrimination compliance by a number of means, and it doesn't have to be Section 8--if they simply have a certain portion of renters of minority race they may very well comply. That said, Section 8 is a cash cow for landlords so they are often willing to do it because they get more money through federal matching funds than they would at market rate.

Any way you slice it, apartment complexes depreciate quickly. Usually by the time a complex is 20 years old, it would be considered "Class B" because the landlords don't do major upkeep in between new leases, and tenants of apartment complexes don't tend to take care of them because it isn't their property. Thus, these buildings start seeming second-tier after a short time, and the management cannot offer as high of rents, which is what then starts to attract low-income people--if there's an increase in crime at that point, the apartments go further downhill...so it becomes a cycle until a management company does another serious renovation.

This is why in many parts of Indy the neighborhoods with homeowners are still quite nice whereas the apartment complexes close by are pretty undesirable. Most of the complexes in Indy are now older than 1980s.

Excellent explanation and I agree 100%. That ios why I always look for very, very new apartments and I only look in the very best neighborhoods.

[mistershow]

I know it's been said a few times, but I live on 38th and Penn and work in Haughville--both are pretty awful neighborhoods. Within a month of moving into my apartment my girlfriend and I heard a shooting that we could have watched from our living room window.

Counting down the days 'til the lease is up...

[desz]

Thank you very much... i will keep that in mind

[desz]

Ok...thank you i will keep that in mind

[Ravekid]

Originally Posted by krsheely

I live on the "scarey" east side , washington and post in an older neighborhood, borders are franklin to post and 10th to washington to give an idea of where i live. I'd like to let everyone know that i got a fantastic education from warren centeral high school, ... When i was in school i lived at 16th and post, i spent the first 10 years of my life at 30th and mitthoffer. I've heard people call all of these places horrible, they are not. Now if you are scared of living next to any black people or hispanic then maybe its a problem but i hate to break peoples hearts but most of the kids and young adults you see walking around looking thuggish and what not, ... the only areas i really wouldnt think i'd be able to be ok would be from 38th to 42nd between post and mitthoffer and picking back up past franklin and shadeland again all the way until college, but that area is and has been bad for a lot longer than what people say the whole east side is.

A kid can get a good education at Warren schools. I have a relative that got such good grades, she got a full ride to college (for at least two years..everything was paid). It is all about the parents and the kid. The problem I have is that you are not being 100% honest with the areas at 30th and Mitthoffer. When the tornado and strong winds went through that area, the people used tarps to protect their homes from water infiltration. Folks, that was at least a year ago, some damage two years ago. There are STILL homes with big tarps on them. These cheap vinyl village homes are the new ghettos.

Also, the far east 38th St. area is becoming a war zone. This area is only eight blocks north of the far east 30th St., so take that for what it is worth. 38th St. between Mithoeffer Rd. and N. German Church Rd. is going to become one big mile of Section 8 complexes. The complex which was partially section 8 was destroyed by a tornado. The company which owns the Section 8 properties just to the east has purchased this complex is is now fixing it up. This will likely become a very bad part of the city. 42nd and Post is also a nasty area as well. Basically, I wouldn't move to the far east side for nothing. The amount of Section 8 is growing, and the population is a more younger, more thugish population who don't care about just getting a roof over their head and some food stamps. They want the HDTVs, they want the rims, they want money. If the single mothers are not dealing, their boyfriend/baby daddy is. The triple murder on E. 38th is a prime example of this. That is the only complex that is only partially section 8, and I have a feeling it will eventually become 100% as well. This area is only miles from my home, but I am in Hancock County, so that helps some. My only hope is that this area doesn't get so bad, that my home value is affected to a point where I will take a massive hit on my home.

Originally Posted by TDE

you guys are hilarious.

Most murders/assault are between people who know each other, and over Drugs, Money, or Women. Very seldom is it random.

If you're minding your own business, chances are nothing will happen to you.

You are 100% correct. The problem is that more and more people who have it hard are turning to drugs. There are plenty of people that were minding their own business in their homes who are beaten and attacked. There are plenty of people who were on the Monon Trail who were beaten and attacked. As the ghetto grows, that means more poor people who want money (for whatever) will grow. These people won't have the skills to get a job to fund the money they need, so they will take it. Hopefully most will go for property crimes like theft and burglary, but some will be more bold, more personal with their crimes. It used to be you could leave your front door unlocked and open in this city, no more. We are more concerned about spending billions of taxpayer money on sports arenas and un-needed airports than keeping the criminals locked up.

Anyway, Indiana is still somewhat of a free state. If you are 18 and a good person, you can get a permit to carry a handgun if you wish. If you decide to carry a handgun for personal protection, all I advise is that you get very comfortable with it, keep it with you or in a locked safe, and get training. I have a feeling things are going to get worse before they get better.