What happened to the Crime? (Indianapolis, Fishers: unemployment, neighborhood, magnet schools)

[domergurl]

Originally Posted by liger

I guess the fact remains that ignorance breeds stupidity.

Take that back! I don't consider myself neither ignorant nor stupid for not moving into Indianapolis. Having lived in downtown Chicago, we knew what we were getting into, and the fact remains the same, we wouldn't raise our children there either.

Blame realtors, they are usually the first people that new folks encounter and guess what, they push all of us toward the suburbs. Folks who are relocating, especially with children, who don't have the cash to fork over for private schools are, and common sense would dicatate, that they would naturally go to a ready made safe envrionment where the schools and or quality daycare are plentiful. Am I wrong? And trust me, the burbs aren't much better sometimes. If anyone watched the news last night, you saw my neighborhood plastered all over the place.

If we didn't have kids, we'd be living downtown, you can bet your bottom dollar, but once kids enter the picture, everything changes. And until IPS starts getting good press ... expect your so called ignorant and stupid people like us to continue moving out.

[liger]

Realtors are certainly part of the issue. Home builders are also part of the issue too. Have you heard the recent CP Morgan commercial about the homes inside of 465? It’s saying that you wouldn’t want one of those old and crusty homes because you can’t fit anything in it. They say that you should by a new CP Morgan home so that you can fit all of your crap in it. That commercial makes me laugh and gets me frustrated at the same time. A lot of people can barely afford the principal, taxes and insurance on a home let alone all of the junk it takes fill a 4,000 square foot box.

Clearly CP Morgan doesn’t have your interest in mind. Moreover, I used to work in Fishers and have been on inspections of those homes and I have seen how cheaply they are constructed. Furthermore, they lack any design quality and character. Sure you get 4,000 square feet for pennies on the dollar, but they’re little more than some sticks and a cardboard box because your spreading those pennies across more square feet. You get what you pay for.

I did see the news today. I guess people will be packing their bags and moving out of Fishers to the next new subdivision in Arcadia. I can see the headlines now “Fishers, the new ghetto”.

Sorry about the ignorant stupid thing – this whole blue flashing camera light thing is making me crazy. Still, I am convinced that for every one sane person like you there are 500 people in the HC that are truly terrified to come to Indianapolis.

[Southside Shrek]

I've seen relatively new custom homes in Carmel for over 600K with crappy windows. I mean cheapo wood windows which are already cracking and rotting.

what's wrong with getting a relatively new home for 'pennies on the dollar'? they may not look any different from one another but at least it's affordable shelter and you're not paying 500 to 600K either.

P.S. In France all of the poor folks move to the suburbs ('banlieues') because that is where all the cheap government built housing estates and high rise apartments are.

[domergurl]

Originally Posted by liger

Realtors are certainly part of the issue. Home builders are also part of the issue too. Have you heard the recent CP Morgan commercial about the homes inside of 465? It’s saying that you wouldn’t want one of those old and crusty homes because you can’t fit anything in it. They say that you should by a new CP Morgan home so that you can fit all of your crap in it. That commercial makes me laugh and gets me frustrated at the same time. A lot of people can barely afford the principal, taxes and insurance on a home let alone all of the junk it takes fill a 4,000 square foot box.

Clearly CP Morgan doesn’t have your interest in mind. Moreover, I used to work in Fishers and have been on inspections of those homes and I have seen how cheaply they are constructed. Furthermore, they lack any design quality and character. Sure you get 4,000 square feet for pennies on the dollar, but they’re little more than some sticks and a cardboard box because your spreading those pennies across more square feet. You get what you pay for.

I did see the news today. I guess people will be packing their bags and moving out of Fishers to the next new subdivision in Arcadia. I can see the headlines now “Fishers, the new ghetto”.

Sorry about the ignorant stupid thing – this whole blue flashing camera light thing is making me crazy. Still, I am convinced that for every one sane person like you there are 500 people in the HC that are truly terrified to come to Indianapolis.

But yet now you are saying I'm a ghetto dweller? Quash your anger dude. People can live wherever they want to live. It's pretty clear that you don't have kids yet. I'm guessing. We'll see how you feel once you have a kindergartener and your precious charter schools aren't all they are cracked up to be. Until you have a child, stop judging people on the choices they make FOR THEIR FAMILIES! Oh heck, just stop judging people period for making choices on where they want to live. I've thought it was cool that you live in Little Flower, urban dwelling rocks, but you need to chill on what other people do.

[liger]

There is nothing wrong with people living where they want to and buying the home that they want to. However, look at the number of people that are so far in debt just to afford those homes. And then they go even further in debt to fill the large home with stuff that they don't really need and paying for gas for their commute to downtown (which degrades our environment). The do this while complaining about the “bad traffic” and crime in the city.

In addition, look at the number of people that are defaulting on their home loans. Clearly something isn't right when you have so many builders and lenders waiting to give people new homes that can't afford them. Keep in mind that these are government backed loans. It just doesn't seem too wise to me. Meanwhile, thousands of perfectly good homes within the city proper sit vacant and begin deteriorating just because people have to have newer and bigger homes or because they perceive the burbs to be safer than the urbs, even though newer homes are usually inferior in quality and character to older homes. It doesn’t make any sense to me, not socially, economically or even philosophically. Still, people must have the right to make these decisions.

[liger]

Originally Posted by domergurl

But yet now you are saying I'm a ghetto dweller? Quash your anger dude. People can live wherever they want to live. It's pretty clear that you don't have kids yet. I'm guessing. We'll see how you feel once you have a kindergartener and your precious charter schools aren't all they are cracked up to be. Until you have a child, stop judging people on the choices they make FOR THEIR FAMILIES! Oh heck, just stop judging people period for making choices on where they want to live. I've thought it was cool that you live in Little Flower, urban dwelling rocks, but you need to chill on what other people do.

I am not judging anyone. Just making observations. If you feel like I am judging you then maybe something I wrote hit home with you, I guess - heck I don't know. And, like I said before, I will raise my kids in whatever City I happen to be in at the time. I don't want them to grow up in an antiseptic and perfectly manicured environment. That's just me. People are free to make their own decisions.

[domergurl]

Wow, your generalizations about suburban people in debt out their noses ... hmmmm. I guess there aren't any foreclosures in your area of the city? I've heard of folks purchasing homes in the city who get in over their head rehabbing ... uh oh? Am I wrong? Sweetie, foreclosures happen everywhere. Not just in the antiseptic suburbs. And again, we'll see how you feel once you have a critter to take care of.

It's all about choices sir. Maybe I'm the only one in my neighborhood who bought a house they could afford. No, wait, I'm not. You generalize like all of us fishers ghetto folks are on the brink of bankruptcy. I'd like to see statistics to back up your claims.

Look, you love living in the city ... great, you're an urban pioneer. But you seem to draw some kind of equation that suburbs=foreclosure/over your head debt. That's wrong. Nope, you didn't hit anything home for me. I like my home.

[Southside Shrek]

this has become an entertaining thread.

[domergurl]

Yea, I'm out.

[chaemaria]

I've been lurking in this forum for months before deciding to move back to Indy from Phoenix, AZ. I've lived in Indy during most of my teenaged years and visit quite often. Indy has always mystified me as being the only city I've known that has a harmonious blend of country and urban, a great place to raise a family without feeling you are stuck in suburbia. A great blend of diversity.
I have lived in the greater Phoenix Area (From the East Valley to the West and currently in Metro Phx) for the last four years, coming from my hometown of Milwaukee, WI. If you're familiar with Milwaukee's decline (if not: imagine receiving all of Chicago's left over crime with out the high cost of living, & wondering why all the jobs have moved on to Mexico & India), you'll understand that I have a tougher skin when it comes to city crime. I was not prepared for the bizzariness of the evening news and the crimes reported in Phx. I have had relatives visting from Indy struck dumb by our hour long nightly news on numerous occassions.
In a nutshell, we have had TWO serial killers, a shoot out with cops at a gas station in which a large sized proprane tank was mirculously not hit in the crossfire, raids on meth labs in suburbanian neighborhoods every month, car theft in the driveway of your fancy suburbian home, Amber alerts every other week, insane traffic, complete with vehicle deaths, and someone's kid is always found dead in a swimming pool, in one year alone. You know it's a serious crime problem when former NYC-ers are in shock about the crime and death here.

What Indy has is fixable because Hoosiers actually care about their neighborhoods, you guys still get upset and react, and most importantly, you have jobs.
I'm moving back to Indy because even in the crime ridden areas of the Eastside I feel safer than I do anywhere in Phx, that includes Scottsdale too.