Indianapolis: downhill or uphill? (Anderson, Columbus: student loans, how much, school district)

[Future Trooper]

IPS is loosing on average 1100 students for every school year.At this rate in about 25 years IPS will ceast to exist.

As far as all the crime moving out to the suburbs has anyone seen how the police in the suburbs are? They are definetly much more intimidating than IMPD. The donut counties have much different ways in handling their justice system than Marion County. What might be a minor offense in Marion County is a major one out in Hendricks County.

The crime will always plague Indianapolis to some extent.


Indianapolis has come along way since the 1980's and still has away to go but eventually Indianapolis will become a beacon of light for the entire nation.

[kwr]

Originally Posted by grmasterb

Families are not moving downtown. Single professionals and DINKs are moving downtown. Families will continue to reside in the suburban areas of Marion and the donut counties. These crazy predictions of the suburbs turning into Section 8 ghettos is just that.....crazy.

Some families are leaving the suburbs...I left. The houses in Meridian Kessler, Crows Nest, Williams Creek, etc. have character that most of the homes in the northern burbs lack. The catch is families who can afford private school in addition to the higher property prices in town and like the lifestyle will move. The families who can not afford private school in addition to their McMansion will stay in Carmel. Of course I am generally speaking.

[SikCense]

Indy is fine. I'm trying to leave, but I've been here forever and I need a change of scenery. Its not the most urban area, and I don't think mass transit is in the cities future at all (mentality of the people is public transit it for poor people). If you are from a large metro, then there may be things you may miss, but Indy has more events and is more nationally recognized most of the cities its size or slightly larger. Crime can be a problem but I have been to every hood in the city at various time of night and have never been robbed in my life. As far as jobs health care is number one, its also a decent city for women even without higher education. There are lot of opportunities for minority women as well for professional jobs, not so much for minority men or lesser educated white males. There is not that much diversity too me outside of white and black. It is also pretty tolerant of interracial dating if you had a question about that (minorities and non minorities actually hang together outside of work). Someone said Carmel will go downhill, that will never happen as that city is not part of Indy and has it own mayor and courts. They also make it a point to me more harsh on minorities in the courts I guess to keep them away(at least I know a lawyer who told me this and refuses cases in Hamilton Cty.

Oh some may say its conservative, buy Indy always votes Dem for the most part. Our mayor is a rep. and so is the Gov. but I watched CNN yesterday and all the states surrounding Indiana was in a deficit except IN, Indy can only go up from here.

[krock1dk]

Originally Posted by hoosier07

It depends where you live, it's a large city after all, people forget that Indianapolis is the 12th largest in the US and with that, some level of violence and poverty will happen, but not that bad.

C'mon, I live in Greenwood (15 minutes driving south from downtown Indy) and it's just a perfect place to live. We love downtown Indy, the Childrens Museum, the Malls in the North side, the restaurants. Overall a very good cost benefit, with affordable housing, great parks around the city, good place to live.

Some people are looking for the impossible, lifestyle of a 15,000 people city in a general metro area of 1.2 million people.

I lived in Detroit prior to moving to Indy....do you want me to bring it into discussion ??? I don't think so. Indy is great, believe me. By the way, it's close to Chicago for weekend trips in case you miss a bigger Metro area and there is a very nice park called Brown County State Park between Columbus, IN and Bloomington, IN (40 minutes driving from Indy - south).

Your population stats are a bit out of date. The Census says the Indianapolis-Carmel metro area has exceeded 2-million residents in the 9-county area.

[krock1dk]

I grew up in Indy in the 1980s and moved out in 1999 (I live in AZ now). I miss it TERRIBLY, but have some friends and much family still back there. Ladies and gents.......IVE SEEN MANY CITIES AND INDY IS ONE OF THE FEW CITIES IN THIS COUNTRY THAT KEEPS GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. I saw the new airport a month ago and it was spectactular. I didnt even recognize I-70 on the west side near the airport either. And I am glad to hear there will be a new highrise hotel downtown and an expansion to the Convention Center. And I love Lucas Oil Stadium, Conseco FH and Circle Center Mall. The White River State Park is also very nice. And I was extatic when I heard Indy was chosen for the 2012 Super Bowl. INDY IS ON THE UPSWING.

Yes, the economy is down as it is around the world. Crime may have been up for a while, but murder in 2008 was at its lowest point in a long time. No place is remotely close to perfect--where you have people you have problems. Plainly. But people in Indiana should be proud of its largest city. Indianapolis is anything but Nap-Town. It will never compare to NY or Chicago, but who does. I think Indy kicks major A with cities that are twice its size (like Phoenix, where I live). It has come a long way in 2 decades. I will always be proud of my hometown and will always be pro-Indy!!

[Future Trooper]

Infact we are close to 2.15M people in the metro area.

[Naptowner]

Indianapolis is the "12th largest city" only if you disregard the fact that most cities have nowhere near the area, thanks in part to the Unigov consolidation of Indy and Marion County. Indianapolis MSA (metropolitan statistical area) doesn't rank in the top 30 nationwide, and it is still just about 1.8 million - nowhere near two million. And on top of that, it includes population in cities like Anderson, Columbus, Shelbyville, etc. that are separated from Indianapolis by miles and miles of cornfields. Indianapolis is what it is, but it is most definitely not a major city.
Indianapolis, IN MSA Population and Components of Change

The census only comes out once every ten years, and the last census (2000) had the MSA at about 1.6 million.

[LIS123]

I think the Indianapolis region will prosper with time. There are so many states, cities and areas (NY, NJ, CA, etc) that are going down the tubes so miserably that areas with more favorable financial situations and business climates will prosper. Indiana is relatively well positioned as compared to other MidWest states.

[krock1dk]

Originally Posted by Naptowner

Indianapolis is the "12th largest city" only if you disregard the fact that most cities have nowhere near the area, thanks in part to the Unigov consolidation of Indy and Marion County. Indianapolis MSA (metropolitan statistical area) doesn't rank in the top 30 nationwide, and it is still just about 1.8 million - nowhere near two million. And on top of that, it includes population in cities like Anderson, Columbus, Shelbyville, etc. that are separated from Indianapolis by miles and miles of cornfields. Indianapolis is what it is, but it is most definitely not a major city.
Indianapolis, IN MSA Population and Components of Change

The census only comes out once every ten years, and the last census (2000) had the MSA at about 1.6 million.

Do the simple research. THE US Census says the Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson CONSOLIDATED Area has over 2-million people. Just go to Census website for yourself and check it out. U can read, cant you?

You can bash Indianapolis all you want, but the stats are the reality. And EVERY metro are in the country has areas of undeveloped land, becuse metro areas are defined by COUNTY borders and not city borders, etc. Yes, it includes Anderson, etc. So? I studied population geography in college and I dont need a lecture from you. I'm well aware what the population of Indianapolis is. And MY criteria for being a 'large' US city is a central city population of at least 500,000 (Indy has 800,000), being in a metro population of at least one-million. Indy qualifies both ways. I'm sorry for your despondancy.

[Naptowner]

Originally Posted by krock1dk

Do the simple research. THE US Census says the Indianapolis-Carmel-Anderson CONSOLIDATED Area has over 2-million people. Just go to Census website for yourself and check it out. U can read, cant you?

My, you're charming. I couldn't find any info at the Census Bureau to suggest that Indianapolis has over 2 million people. I'm guessing it doesn't exist, otherwise you'd have posted a link to it. So I went to the only page on the census bureau website that provided population estimates of the Indianapolis region, and found a table of estimated county population as of 2007. And if you add up all 9 counties and throw in Bartholomew County you come up with less than 1.85 million. Here's a link to the table - you can do math, can't you? http://www.census.gov/popest/countie...2007-01-18.xls

And this is a generous estimate. According to other sources, the Indianapolis MSA numbers less than 1.8 million: STATS Indiana: Data for Economic Growth Region 5

You can bash Indianapolis all you want, but the stats are the reality.

I'm just pointing out facts. Your "stats" appear to be made up.

And EVERY metro are in the country has areas of undeveloped land, becuse metro areas are defined by COUNTY borders and not city borders, etc. Yes, it includes Anderson, etc. So?

So? Indianapolis's metropolitan statistical area contains a lot of small towns that don't have anything to do with Indianapolis. The same might be said for other MSAs as well, I suppose, but even by that somewhat flawed criteria Indianapolis isn't a very large MSA.

I studied population geography in college and I dont need a lecture from you. I'm well aware what the population of Indianapolis is. And MY criteria for being a 'large' US city is a central city population of at least 500,000 (Indy has 800,000), being in a metro population of at least one-million. Indy qualifies both ways. I'm sorry for your despondancy.

I wasn't lecturing you, just pointing out, factually, that Indianapolis is not a major city. Is it large? Sure, compared to many smaller cities. But as a metropolitan area, Indianapolis is not within the top 30 in the country. I'm not sure why you are taking this information personally.