Open Carry Gun Walk in downtown Indy yesterday (Knox: buy, legally)
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I was having a beer on the patio at Old Point Taven and saw them go by. It was definitely a little odd seeing guys carrying AR-15s just walking down the street. Especially the soccer dad pushing a stroller. There were a few cop cars shadowing them and driving in the right lane at the same speed they were walking on the sidewalk. They didn't appear to have much of a turnout. Maybe 25 people or so.
I guess I don't really understand the point. There is no anti-gun legislation at the moment that I know of on either the federal or state level and it appears there will not be.
Wow! That is the first time I have ever been referred to as a soccer dad. At least that I know of anyway.
I thought our turnout was okay. Some people did not attend due to their schedules. Some just wanted to see what would happen and have decided to attend the next walk. Some just thought the walk was a bad idea.
The walk was not a protest against any law or pending legislation. The walk was to get the message out there that there are people who own and carry firearms on a daily basis. More importantly to let other Hoosiers know that they have that right as well.
Here is the Statement of Intent that we passed out to those we met.
Statement of Intent: Why we walk today
A group of your fellow American citizens and residents of the great state of Indiana have assembled together in a peaceable manner to help educate our fellow Hoosiers about our rights to lawfully keep and bear arms. In our modern society, many non-gun owners may feel that our historic firearms rights are outdated. We are here today to bring attention to the fact that an armed citizenry has been at the foundation of our liberties since the formation of our great nation and must continue without infringement so that those freedoms we hold most dear may survive.
Most of us are aware that the Constitution of the United States of America is the first codification of the individual’s right to keep and bear arms. The 2nd Amendment, in a section called the Bill of Rights, states that, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Many Hoosiers may not know that the Constitution of the State of Indiana also expressly addresses the issue of our rights to bear arms in Section 32: “The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State.”
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Why were our founding fathers so concerned about the common citizen’s ability to own and bear arms?
When these constitutions were written, the authors’ overriding concern was to avoid the tyranny of the many centralized, monarchical governments of Europe. Their experience was that too much power granted to a centralized national government inevitably led to a trampling of the rights of the people. The most important guarantor of the people’s rights was to ensure that they could always keep and bear arms. The Founders reasoned that no standing army raised by a central government could ever overpower the public because they would always be outnumbered many fold. If one studies the great despotic schemes of the 20th Century such as the Russian revolution, China’s Maoist revolution, Nazi Germany, and Castro’s Cuba, one of their first objectives was to confiscate the public’s firearms. Totalitarian governments are afraid to allow the people this freedom because they know it will inevitably lead to resistance to their total control of their societies.
While it may be hard to believe that these types of totalitarian governments would ever emerge in the United States, our Founding Fathers were fearful enough and wise enough to expressly and permanently make private ownership of guns a permanent part of our legal landscape for the express purpose of deterring any such usurping of the people’s power. The Founders trusted the people rather than the corrupting power of large central governments.
Today, we are witnessing increasing hostility toward the time honored right of private gun ownership and carry rights in America.
The Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of our powerful, centralized federal government have made various attempts to weaken or revoke our traditional firearms rights. We have also seen attempts at the state level to infringe on this bedrock right that, thankfully, have failed to date. However, we fear, like our Founding Fathers, that attempts to weaken or circumvent the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and Section 32 of the Indiana Constitution have been increasing and could someday be successful if we don’t raise awareness of these issues with all Hoosiers.
We walk in solidarity with our Founding Fathers and the generations of Hoosiers and Americans that preceded us, in proclaiming our important legal rights to keep and bear arms. As law-abiding citizens, we seek the vigilant support of all our fellow Hoosiers, whether gun owners or not, to defend our liberties against those who would seek to diminish our national and state rights to keep and bear arms.
Again, what exactly did he say that was appalling? Was it the part about protecting America w/ guns? Remember the Mumbai attacks? It's funny how people all feel safe and sound, yet if the SHTF, rely on people to swoop in and save them, WITH GUNS!!!
So, do you not believe self-protection to be a fundamental right? 1. Torah: Exodus 22:2. 2. Talmud: Jewish law set forth in the Talmud states, “If someone comes to kill you, arise quickly and kill him.” (Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin. 1994,2, 72a; The Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Berakoth. 1990, 58a, 62b). 3. Roman Catholic Doctrine: Christian doctrine has long asserted the right and duty of self defense. “Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow.” See Catechism of the Catholic Church 1994, sections 2263-65 (citing and quoting Thomas Aquinas). 4. Protestant Doctrine: Individual has personal and unalienable right to self-defense, even against government. Samuel Rutherford, Lex, Rex [1644]1982, pp. 159-166, 183-185 (Sprinkle Publications edition.) Jesus advised his disciples to arm themselves in view of likely persecution. Luke 22:36. [/font]
And the 2nd Amendment neither creates, nor give any rights to the people, it is simply enumerating rights that are pre-existing to all men
dont let him get under your skin.
he is referring to my typing because i use poor punctuation.
i said i could speak it i didn't say i could type it.
to many people rely on the government and law enforcement to protect them.
allot of good the government and the police are going to do you if your all ready dead.
Again, I'm not going to explain it to you. The post was over your head.
I couldn't care less about self-protection. I'm talking about the right to bear firearms. That is not a God-given right. Firearms were invented after most of the holy books were written. Bringing God into it is just ridiculous.
OK, having an ICBM in my backyard is technically self-protection. Should that be legal? Nuclear weapons?
So again, you see no human right to self-protection? It doesn't matter with what you protect yourself, the end result is the same, self-preservation. The right to bear arms is a recognition of the right to protect ones self, and their country if they so choose. You don't want to protect yourself and your family with a firearm, I could care less, but saying it isn't a right simply because it isn't enumerated in religious texts is ludicrous. You're right, we're talking FIREARMS right now, not ICBMs, but nice strawman there
First Amendment, apply to the internet? Telephone conversations? Over a mega-phone?
For those questioning the intent of the walk, here's a copy of the informational flier they were handing out:
Wow! That is the first time I have ever been referred to as a soccer dad. At least that I know of anyway.
I thought our turnout was okay. Some people did not attend due to their schedules. Some just wanted to see what would happen and have decided to attend the next walk. Some just thought the walk was a bad idea.
The walk was not a protest against any law or pending legislation. The walk was to get the message out there that there are people who own and carry firearms on a daily basis. More importantly to let other Hoosiers know that they have that right as well.
Here is the Statement of Intent that we passed out to those we met.
Statement of Intent: Why we walk today
A group of your fellow American citizens and residents of the great state of Indiana have assembled together in a peaceable manner to help educate our fellow Hoosiers about our rights to lawfully keep and bear arms. In our modern society, many non-gun owners may feel that our historic firearms rights are outdated. We are here today to bring attention to the fact that an armed citizenry has been at the foundation of our liberties since the formation of our great nation and must continue without infringement so that those freedoms we hold most dear may survive.
Most of us are aware that the Constitution of the United States of America is the first codification of the individual’s right to keep and bear arms. The 2nd Amendment, in a section called the Bill of Rights, states that, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Many Hoosiers may not know that the Constitution of the State of Indiana also expressly addresses the issue of our rights to bear arms in Section 32: “The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State.”
Cool with me. I have no problem with anyone exercising their rights. I don't care if people speak their mind, or own guns (although I support some regulation).
I do find it funny, however, that your literature did not include the entire text of the Second Amendment. If you have no agenda, why not state it all and let the public make up their mind?
I fully support the right of people to choose to have a gun. Not my cup of tea, not my choice and know what ... that's ok. I honestly don't know why people would feel the need to have a march.
Because you might be suprised at the amount of people who do not know their rights. How many adults think that the only people who carry guns are police and criminals. They do not even know that they have a right to have a firearm and use it to defend themselves.
[quote=Knox Harrington;10994003]Again, I'm not going to explain it to you. The post was over your head.
I couldn't care less about self-protection. I'm talking about the right to bear firearms. That is not a God-given right. Firearms were invented after most of the holy books were written. Bringing God into it is just ridiculous.
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OK, having an ICBM in my backyard is technically self-protection. Should that be legal? Nuclear weapons?
now your just mixing apples with oranges.
how are you going to find a holster big enough for an ICBM.
So again, you see no human right to self-protection? It doesn't matter with what you protect yourself, the end result is the same, self-preservation. The right to bear arms is a recognition of the right to protect ones self, and their country if they so choose. You don't want to protect yourself and your family with a firearm, I could care less, but saying it isn't a right simply because it isn't enumerated in religious texts is ludicrous. You're right, we're talking FIREARMS right now, not ICBMs, but nice strawman there
First Amendment, apply to the internet? Telephone conversations? Over a mega-phone?
For those questioning the intent of the walk, here's a copy of the informational flier they were handing out:
Cool with me. I have no problem with anyone exercising their rights. I don't care if people speak their mind, or own guns (although I support some regulation).
I do find it funny, however, that your literature did not include the entire text of the Second Amendment. If you have no agenda, why not state it all and let the public make up their mind?
I'm curious as to what regulation you support. Do you think we need more or less? If so what would you change?
I am glad that the intent of the walk has alas been published. Let people read it. They can agree or disagree. It doesn't matter...thank God we're in America!
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