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Old 11-06-2015, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Wandering.
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Comcast bandwidth limits apparently are only in select markets, there is none in mine. A few years back they did have a 250GB limit that I think applied to every customer but that went away.

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It's 300GB, that's a lot of data. Even if you were watching "HD" video at 4Mbps it's 160hours.
It is a lot of data, but Netflix on HD uses 3 GB per hour and Ultra HD uses about 7 GB per hour, so 100 or 42 hours of video per month. Still a lot, but not an infinite amount.
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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A good starting point would be upgrading your x286 computer with your 14.4k modem to something a bit more modem.
Yes, the 386 or even 686. And there's even the 56k modem available ! And do use that Turbo button...
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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While parts of the rant are naive, the core is true. For those wags who blame the user and whine "get a REAL computer" I give a heartfelt stuff-it! Where I live, there is no cell reception, AT&T landline was good for 12K on a good day, and the ONLY choice is satellite. Webmasters and pimple-faced coders who think everyone lives on high speed internet are utterly and completely CLUELESS. My datacap for normal hours is 10 gig PER MONTH. When I was on Hughes, link speeds were roughly twice dial-up. Thankfully, Exede is better.

Use of an ad-blocker and no-script are the only ways that I can keep under the datacap - again I have NO other internet options - and with the way that some pages are paste-ups from multiple sources, sometimes I have to resort to using a proxy server with a fast connection to be able to load a complete page.

Progress always incurs problems and the breakage of old technology, but I can still toast bread in a 1930s toaster, or drive a Model-T Ford down a highway, or even talk on an antique phone. It is not too much to ask those who code web pages to be polite and not exclude a large percentage of the rural population in the way they code their pages.

Change DOES happen, and some sites eventually "get it." For quite a while I was completely unable to use the CNN.com website, due to whatever spinning gee-gaws and fireworks the coders were implanting. While not ideal, I note that it now does come back up and has some semblance of readability.

DO NOT blame the user for the insanity of the idiot who doesn't know how to code. Do NOT blame the user for ads that are so intrusive they actively turn users away from the product and website. Users vote with their feet and their money. Remember the video game arcades and the snobbery involved there? Remember Blockbuster? Turn off your target audience at your own peril.
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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There has to be some upgrades in the works for the Internet. In some cases it is a disaster. Yahoo, has a big problem with pages that 'jump", links that open things one has not clicked on, and the giant advertising banner at the top is very irritating.
Today, the browsers have been chaotic, I finally used Opera, Google Chrome is far less efficient that it use to be and Firefox has become almost worst than Internet Explorer.
There has to be some better works for accessing the Internet, as well as there has to come some means to develop a system that does not rely on the paid service providers. Internet access SHOULD BE FREE, They make enough on Advertisements to not be subject to the madness.

Comcast just sent out a message limiting usage to 300GB. I don't use that much, but still what is the point other than profit gouging.
The problem with internet in the US is the lack of competition, and the fact that the few major internet providers also sell cable packages and have a major conflict of interest selling internet access to people who use it to stream content from Netflix or Amazon.

Where I live, we had basically two choices - Comcast cable and AT&T DSL. Now there's also Verizon FIOS, but we need far more choice than that. There should be 4-5 providers that are selling high speed internet access and don't have the conflict of interest of being a content provider as well.

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We need to recall the time when Paid TV was commercial free- WE ALLOW THE POLITICIANS TO ALLOW THESE PROVIDERS TO BOMBARD US WITH ADVERTISEMENTS AND THEN MAKE US PAY TO WATCH IT, BY DISBANDING THE ANALOG SYSTEM, WHICH COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN UPGRADED TO DIGITAL AND REMAINED FREE ACCESS.
If you're talking about the free local TV channels, they are still free and available.

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The current day crop of executives from privileged background who never had to pay for anything, only know to gouge and raise cost, because they have no understanding of what it cost working people to access something which should be free for all. Every Content Provider makes a massive volume of money from Advertising, why do they need to bleed us dry and collude the system where most of the site perform poorly.
Here's a news flash.. they don't care. Neither here nor there nor anywhere. It is the job of the government to create rules that promote healthy level of competition and prevent monopolization of the market.

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We the people, seem to not understand and some simply don't care, that we are paying for something which should not have a cost to the user.
This is a ridiculous statement. Nothing is free. Hardware isn't free. Software isn't free. Maintenance isn't free. If you are not paying for this, then someone else does.

The reason TV was "free" is because it would be technically impossible - at least when TV sets started to become commonplace - to scramble the programming allowing only the paid users to watch it. They were broadcasting it to the whole wide world and they had no way to control who was watching it, so the next best model was to fund it via ads. Then the cable was selling on the idea of having far more content and no ads. Once the cable all but killed the air broadcast they started adding ads.

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It has become nothing more than an advertising platform.
Just as it always was.


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The so called Journalist put up very poorly written articles, that never have enough content to tell the story.
Thank the "free" news model. When I was in my 20s you had to buy the newspapers or subscribe to cable or turn the TV on at just the right time if you wanted to know the news. With the advent of Internet, the newspapers and others started losing money left and right, why would someone subscribe to a newspaper if they get content for free ? And this means the news media could no longer pay the best talent - and honestly it often didn't make sense anymore. Why pay top dollars for a guy to write the local news articles when someone else does it for free on their web page ? The news reporting is being replaced by blogging. More opinions and fewer facts, but that's where the talented reporters end up.

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Then there are the pages that give you partial info, so you have to click and go to another page full of advertisements.

If you look in the bottom right when pages are loading, it goes through a multitude of scripts before it can load a page. This is the drawback of the container designed pages, it has made the Internet a time waster to access information.
You must have a really crappy connection. Or a really messed up system.

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Greed is destroying something which should never have gone this route, but all companies follow the same script, to make us think this is how it has to be.

It's evident that the system is due for a massive change. We just as well have a government managed access system, because they have access to everything anyway. Why are we paying providers for the pretense of privacy, when privacy in the internet does not exist in terms of what is truly privacy.
We're paying providers for access.

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We fall for anything and everything these degree riding goons come up with and the more they come up the worst things perform the the poorer the quality of service for what ever they put their hands on.
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they have destroyed the concept of quality service, and everything to them is just another 'gimmick" to get a bonus.

Our Universities have taught greed above and beyond good quality service and products, they have taught build in obsolescence for the quick resales of another version of a system or program that has locked out the functions it originally has capability to provide. All so they can sell the next version. Apple has become a master at this art of constructive rip off.

We had better re-think what is the Internet and then think of what its real intended purpose is, because it has become nothing more than a multi trillion dollar advertising platform. Companies selling and buy each other for billions, only to get potential advertising access to the user base. then they bombard you with advertising. Email is so filled with junk mail. One may need to set up their own server account to void it out. Greed violates and destructs anything which is citizen and user oriented.
Which is why the Soviet Union was so far ahead of us in consumer goods and services. Oh, wait...

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Why does Japan and S. Korea have an internet that is decades ahead of ours in actual performance and points of free accessibility?


Because they have the technology obsessed population that is paying enormous amounts of money for the latest gadget and is demanding the best level of internet access. And it also benefits the governments and the companies to have this high level of internet access available to that population. They made this a priority, we didn't. Probably we should. But it will not be free - you will be paying for it either with your taxes (or more likely with my taxes) or with higher costs hidden elsewhere. That router, that IT specialist, that maintenance guy, and some % of profit will be paid for, and they will be paid for by the end user, one way or another.

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I guess we can sit and wait, and watch other nations in the Nordic Region, and Asian Pacific continue to demonstrate how it should actually work for the citizen populations.


Two extremely different models. The AP is even more mercantilist than the US. The Scandinavian countries are taxing people left right and center and I don't think this is a sustainable model long term.
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Old 11-06-2015, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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While parts of the rant are naive, the core is true. For those wags who blame the user and whine "get a REAL computer" I give a heartfelt stuff-it! Where I live, there is no cell reception, AT&T landline was good for 12K on a good day, and the ONLY choice is satellite. Webmasters and pimple-faced coders who think everyone lives on high speed internet are utterly and completely CLUELESS. My datacap for normal hours is 10 gig PER MONTH. When I was on Hughes, link speeds were roughly twice dial-up. Thankfully, Exede is better.

Use of an ad-blocker and no-script are the only ways that I can keep under the datacap - again I have NO other internet options - and with the way that some pages are paste-ups from multiple sources, sometimes I have to resort to using a proxy server with a fast connection to be able to load a complete page.

Progress always incurs problems and the breakage of old technology, but I can still toast bread in a 1930s toaster, or drive a Model-T Ford down a highway, or even talk on an antique phone. It is not too much to ask those who code web pages to be polite and not exclude a large percentage of the rural population in the way they code their pages.

Change DOES happen, and some sites eventually "get it." For quite a while I was completely unable to use the CNN.com website, due to whatever spinning gee-gaws and fireworks the coders were implanting. While not ideal, I note that it now does come back up and has some semblance of readability.

DO NOT blame the user for the insanity of the idiot who doesn't know how to code. Do NOT blame the user for ads that are so intrusive they actively turn users away from the product and website. Users vote with their feet and their money. Remember the video game arcades and the snobbery involved there? Remember Blockbuster? Turn off your target audience at your own peril.
We live in a huge country much of which is still rural. To get high speed internet somewhere in rural Alabama, would require either a major change in technology (there was talk about using other utilities to transmit Internet traffic, but it kind of died away), a massive investment (and who's going to pay for it ?) or some financial incentive. This is the same kind of problems that they faced back in the early days of electrical power and telephone - there was little incentive to run these utilities to every small farm in the country.

This is one area where I think smart Government intervention would be beneficial.
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