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Old 01-07-2016, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Wandering.
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This is absolutely wrong. Just because someone puts something on the internet, it doesn't give you permission to download it without penalty.
His point was that every thing you see in a browser has already been downloaded (to a local cache / temp folder) ... it's the way browsers work.
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Old 01-07-2016, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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And in practice he's actually right. If you post anything on the internet from words to videos and everything in between, you are a fool if you think there is ANYTHING you can do to prevent some from downloading it and possessing it.

I particularly love how some sites block right clicking photos. There was a particular comic book artist who did this back in the early 00's. Until a fan made a near exact replica of his site by just screenshotting all his photos and recreating his site to prove a point to him.
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Old 01-07-2016, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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This is absolutely wrong. Just because someone puts something on the internet, it doesn't give you permission to download it without penalty.
If this is the case, then we all should be sued for downloading copyrighted data, since this is how browsers work.
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:20 PM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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And in practice he's actually right. If you post anything on the internet from words to videos and everything in between, you are a fool if you think there is ANYTHING you can do to prevent some from downloading it and possessing it.

I particularly love how some sites block right clicking photos. There was a particular comic book artist who did this back in the early 00's. Until a fan made a near exact replica of his site by just screenshotting all his photos and recreating his site to prove a point to him.
+1. if you didnt need to download something in order to read/view/listen/watch/... it then there would be 0 bandwidth (internet traffic) usage.
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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This is absolutely wrong. Just because someone puts something on the internet, it doesn't give you permission to download it without penalty.
I have numerous images from CD on my computer simply because I'm browsing the site. To claim that I'm breaking the law because of that is ludicrous.
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Old 01-07-2016, 06:55 PM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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I have numerous images from CD on my computer simply because I'm browsing the site. To claim that I'm breaking the law because of that is ludicrous.
copyrite violations are not crimes but you may lose judgment in a civil suit.

i assume there is implicit permission since they put images on a forum that is easily accessible. but if i upload a copyrited image that i dont have permission to share (and a moderator doesnt take action to remove it) then c-d mite be liable for damages from the copyrite holder.
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Old 01-08-2016, 01:12 AM
 
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His point was that every thing you see in a browser has already been downloaded (to a local cache / temp folder) ... it's the way browsers work.
That's the point that I made....
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Old 01-08-2016, 01:27 AM
 
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If everyone knows that information they place on the Internet is downloaded by default when it is viewed then they have, in my mind, given me permission to download it without penalty. As long as it's only stored in cache.

And arguing that they didn't realize that is the way it works is not an argument. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Having it cached on my computer is okay. If I use it in any other manner it is not.
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This is absolutely wrong. Just because someone puts something on the internet, it doesn't give you permission to download it without penalty.
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I have numerous images from CD on my computer simply because I'm browsing the site. To claim that I'm breaking the law because of that is ludicrous.
What IDoPhysicsPhD said is ultimately correct. Just because something is on the internet and "available" to you, doesn't mean that you have permission to download it without penalty. Take the example of Child Pornography that the OP brought up. You do not have permission to download that without penalty. The fact that you think such activities cannot be illegal is ludicrous. Then, again, there's freeks on the internet.
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Old 01-08-2016, 01:29 AM
 
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And in practice he's actually right. If you post anything on the internet from words to videos and everything in between, you are a fool if you think there is ANYTHING you can do to prevent some from downloading it and possessing it.

I particularly love how some sites block right clicking photos. There was a particular comic book artist who did this back in the early 00's. Until a fan made a near exact replica of his site by just screenshotting all his photos and recreating his site to prove a point to him.
That's not what Tek_Freek is claiming. He is claiming that you can download it without penalty just because it is posted on the internet. That is simply not the case. There is content that is in violation of the law and can result in penalty.
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Old 01-08-2016, 02:20 PM
 
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Again I claim idiotic. If what everyone says is true then a few billion people are breaking the law every second of every day simply by browsing the Internet.

I still maintain that anyone who posts something on the Internet is responsible for understanding that it will end up cached in countless computers all over the world. If they do not understand this and feel they should be able to claim copyright infringement then it's not the responsibility of the down loader to defend themselves. It's the responsibility of the copyright holder to defend their lack of understanding of how the Internet and computers work.

Once they understand this they need to either agree that it is acceptable for these items to be cached on computers or remove said items from the Internet.

If everyone is talking about download the image using copy/paste then I am in agreement that it is illegal.
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