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Old 12-22-2016, 01:38 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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If memory serves, when cassettes came out, it was perfectly legal to duplicate you record collection as long as you were not profiting from it. I would assume copying images and other content from the internet the same rules would apply, copywrite or not. Of course if the content itself is illegal as is the case of child porn than that is a whole different enchilada. So no need to erase your HD's people!
You are allowed to make copies for yourself. There was concern that tapes do wear out and degrade over time. But you still cannot legally distribute.

If you use a copyrighted image on a website without permission, the holder can take action... Usually with a letter the followed up with legal action.

I used to be a photographer... I maintain ownership of the images... I am the copyright holder. I sell copies of the images but not the ownership. At some point i will contact the parties involved and offer to sell the ownership (in many cases give it). If they agree and i sign it over, they are now the holder and are free to distribute as they wish.

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Old 12-22-2016, 02:04 PM
 
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I can record a few songs using my stereo onto a cassette. Same as a download isn't it?

I buy a DVD movie or music and give to a friend as a Xmas gift and they pass it on to someone else.

Its not the medium but the content that is copyrighted. Changing the medium doesn't change the agreement.

Buying a DVD and selling it to your friend and they pass it on is not "distribution". As long as the original and all of the copies are transferred to the new owner. You legally obtained a single copy of the copyrighted work.... you cannot legally make duplicates and distribute. That one copy can be sold (assuming there is no further restrictions agreed upon) or passed on to a new owner. The duplicates cannot be passed on or sold to different owners.
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Old 12-23-2016, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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You cannot view anything without downloading it. Viewing and possessing the aforementioned material is a crime on its own. You will most certainly be monitored if you view it. Potentially go to jail.
But conversely, downloading it does not mean you viewed it. Browsers will pre-cache content including images. An image may appear outside the scroll area of the screen (in which case you will not see it until you scroll down to it) or it may be hidden until you click on something that un-hides it. But in either case the image has been downloaded to your computer by the browser. Browsers pre-cache images to make them appear to download faster.

I don't know anything about porn law but it seems to me that it would be hard to make a case against someone just because there is porn in his/her browser cache. It cannot be known if you actually viewed it so the act of viewing alone cannot be made illegal. Seems like knowledge and intent would need to be proven also. Like discussing it on-line or sending links in email.
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Old 12-23-2016, 02:38 AM
 
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Here's a question that's been on my mind that certainly relates.

At porn sites, they have films there you can preview or download to a micro SD. Often these films are missing the notice of copyright. So my question is whether you can be held for violation of copyright if the notice of copyright is missing from the film?

One more question. Many films claim that their performers are adult (over the age of 18). Could you be prosecuted for violating CP laws if the films give the adult notice?
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Old 12-23-2016, 08:12 AM
 
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We are not going to be concerned about you tube videos or music. Our personal collection in large so downloads will be minimal. But years ago college students were taken to court and assessed damages of $15,000 per song, etc. (that figure is just an example)
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Old 12-23-2016, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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Here's a question that's been on my mind that certainly relates.

At porn sites, they have films there you can preview or download to a micro SD. Often these films are missing the notice of copyright. So my question is whether you can be held for violation of copyright if the notice of copyright is missing from the film?

One more question. Many films claim that their performers are adult (over the age of 18). Could you be prosecuted for violating CP laws if the films give the adult notice?

The answer to the first question is yes. The owner of the copyright owns it regardless of whether there is a notice of copyright or not.

The answer to the second depends on what CP means, and whether the performers are actually over 18. I'm not sure what the age of performers has to do with Copyright Protection, so I am unsure what CP means.
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:29 PM
 
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The answer to the first question is yes. The owner of the copyright owns it regardless of whether there is a notice of copyright or not.

The answer to the second depends on what CP means, and whether the performers are actually over 18. I'm not sure what the age of performers has to do with Copyright Protection, so I am unsure what CP means.
CP means child pornography laws.
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Old 12-24-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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The the answer probably (I'm not a lawyer) depends on whether the notice is true,and whether it is believable. I honestly have no idea, but I have seen them make such a notice, but the actress still looks underage. Run from those clips. I'm also reminded of the Traci Lords situation years ago, where they went after anyone involved despite declaring her over age of 18. Again, I'm no lawyer, but the risk is not worth it. If you have any question, don't do it.
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Old 12-24-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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Is this the view of the law? You can visit any website, click on any link, watch any video, etc BUT it's only a problem if you download + save materials on your computer?
Downloading it means you are in possession of it. If it is copyrighted material, you broke the us copyright law. If you simply are able to watch it, then it is because the site is getting paid by someone, via ads or whatever, and allow you to view it.

Of course, if you are watching illegal porn to begin with, you already broke the law and can be arrested for viewing it. What is legal in countries in china, Russia, Czech, etc may not be legal to view here. If you think that you are off the hook after you leave the site, keep in mind that every website you went to is logged in your ISP's records and they know what you watched and searched for.
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Old 12-27-2016, 03:59 PM
 
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I've never understood most of the download copyright on music. I can go to a store and buy a cassette tape of Johnny Cash.
It's legal for me to give my friends copies of the cassette that I paid for but if they themselves download the songs they are violation.

I've not followed the Turtles case but it seems they are the ones taking ....... to court.

It is very confusing. For instance you can sell your media at a yard sale but you can't use the same material to compile creations for fun (even if you bought it) and share them with other people. Not only that is if you are more likely to get busted by giving the original creators credit. I guess they won't sue you necessarily because you have nothing they can take you for but they will block the video. Here's where it gets more tricky you can draw a picture of a copyrighted image and sell it no problem but if it's a video/digital image that you put together you can't share it at all. I think you can write a fanfic but you can't sell that either unlike the drawing.
Also what's more messed up is if someone pirated a DVD/CD and you bought it from them not knowing it was pirated you can't sell it to someone else (even if you honestly told them that's what it was) even though you didn't get to get the money back from your scammer.
Here's another notion to ponder. You pay all this money for your cable service and if you miss a program when it was on your service you're technically not supposed to be able to view it online.

This is why I wouldn't bother caring. People break the law everyday anyway without even knowing and some people do far worse crimes and they get away with it so I'm not concerned about these types of acts because the only time we should be worried is if there is malicious intent. I understand the purpose of copyright laws but at the same time they can go too far with it. It is the concept of "money talks" at work. Just look at Comcast for example. What they are doing is technically illegal but the government lets them off scot free.

I'm not sure about child porn though. That is obviously illegal for a reason.
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