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Old 01-15-2016, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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I don't have anything in particular in mind, but dislike the idea of moderation in principle. It's just another word for censorship. My definition of free speech is just that. An individual should be able to say anything, period. This includes threats. I mean, they're just words, right? Nothing happens. You can't have any repercussions from just a thought (yet), and speaking the thought effects no real harm. Yes, I know that hate speech is not OK, but it's really the listener that has the problem, not the speaker. Someone may be greatly offended, someone else may laugh it off, yet it's the same words, so obviously the problem isn't with the words themselves, it's how they're being related to by the listener.
How do you know nothing happens? How do you know there are no repercussions? Especially if you are not taking steps to ensure your anonymity online. Case in point, I remember a guy on a local political forum who basically "spoke" to the other members anyway he wanted to. He treated everybody on that forum like crap. He thought he was completely anonymous and free to say whatever he wanted to say. That is, until the day I was able to find out, through legal means, his name, birthdate, where he lived, who he was married to, if he had children or not, and most importantly, a picture of him. Now, of course, I didn't care to confront him in "real life" because I thought his online behavior was more silly than serious, but imagine if I was some felon or murderer who found out said info and proceeded to track the guy down because I didn't like what he said! You think freedom to say anything, threats included, is completely benign because it happens to be on the internet? LOL!

Not to mention the fact that those who provide the forums pay a certain fee to keep the boards going, or at least, they have made some monetary commitment to provide the discussion boards. That gives them the right to censor or limit what is being said on the board. You didn't pay money to use the board. You didn't help create the board. You're using it because someone else is providing the free service. Just because it's free to you doesn't mean you should have freedom of speech.



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But this is just my perspective. Anyway, do these exist? Just curious (which is the start of all problems probably). I just can't imagine starting out each day thinking I'd better not say this, I'd better not say that. Not that I would, but knowing you could is freedom. It's like constant surveillance. We know that this creates real problems for people when they know their every move is being watched. It changes their thinking and their behavior even when they're not engaged in anything uncivil, illegal, etc.
Just create your own private forum with your friends. Yuku.com will allow you to set up a free private forum. Or, dive into the dark net and find un-moderated boards down there.
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Old 01-17-2016, 03:04 AM
 
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www.fairfaxunderground.com

Read through that, and come running back here.

Cliques show up more often on Unmoderated forums.. But, oddly, the 'rules' seem better enforced.
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Old 01-17-2016, 04:11 AM
 
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I don't have anything in particular in mind, but dislike the idea of moderation in principle. It's just another word for censorship. My definition of free speech is just that. An individual should be able to say anything, period. This includes threats. I mean, they're just words, right? Nothing happens. You can't have any repercussions from just a thought (yet), and speaking the thought effects no real harm. Yes, I know that hate speech is not OK, but it's really the listener that has the problem, not the speaker. Someone may be greatly offended, someone else may laugh it off, yet it's the same words, so obviously the problem isn't with the words themselves, it's how they're being related to by the listener.

But this is just my perspective. Anyway, do these exist? Just curious (which is the start of all problems probably). I just can't imagine starting out each day thinking I'd better not say this, I'd better not say that. Not that I would, but knowing you could is freedom. It's like constant surveillance. We know that this creates real problems for people when they know their every move is being watched. It changes their thinking and their behavior even when they're not engaged in anything uncivil, illegal, etc.
Flamewarriors.net

You have to register to see most of it. They only have three rules:

1. don't do anything illegal
2. keep porn in the porn area (called the crucible)
3. don't try to damage or shut down/interfere with the website

That's as unmoderated as you probably will find. Most people are pretty cool over there too.
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:15 AM
 
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Welcome to city-data Ultra,thank you for your entry!
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Old 01-17-2016, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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I would think the constant copyright violations alone (I.e. most images the average poster includes in their posts) would be enough to make one not want to run an unmoderated forum. Don't these places worry about getting sued?
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Old 01-17-2016, 05:09 PM
 
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Yes, they exist. Even Craigslist is relatively unmoderated.

But, no, you're not quite right about free speech. First, your so-called guarantee is that the government won't curtail it, but that doesn't apply elsewhere. Second, that right isn't absolute, and has never been.
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Old 01-17-2016, 05:18 PM
 
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Ya they very well could if the image owner wants to make a fuss about it!
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Old 01-19-2016, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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That site is using forum software called phpBB which is free, hosting it is not. All that site is doing is offering you "free" hosting. They make money by placing ads on your forum, with enough interest you can make money yourself with ads on it.

If you ever have any intention of being serious about owning a forum avoid the free hosting like the plague. In most cases they will either not want to give you the database or charge you an arm and a leg if you ever want to move it to your own host.

Yes, absolutely. I learned it the hard way. The forum I used to run, with over a hundred active participants and posting history going back four years, was gone overnight because the hosting site did a bad server changeover and found out their backups didn't really back anything up. They did not allow us to back up the forums and there was no way to purchase the database before everything went belly up. Their apology went along the lines of "too bad, so sad, start from scratch."

I was so bummed I swore off running that forum and passed the user list on to one of the senior users in case he wanted to recreate that forum again.
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Old 01-19-2016, 11:31 PM
 
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Yes, absolutely. I learned it the hard way. The forum I used to run, with over a hundred active participants and posting history going back four years, was gone overnight because the hosting site did a bad server changeover and found out their backups didn't really back anything up. They did not allow us to back up the forums and there was no way to purchase the database before everything went belly up. Their apology went along the lines of "too bad, so sad, start from scratch."
Besides that another issue is if the company decides to stop offering the service altogether or goes out of business...

Hosting is not that expensive to get started, it might be $5 per month. If you outgrow the cheap hosting packages you'll have enough traffic to generate ad revenue that will not only pay for better hosting but put some money in your pocket too.
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Old 01-24-2016, 06:38 PM
 
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In theory, some moderation might be beneficial. In practice, most moderators seem to be rather stupid and heavy handed. I'd take an unmoderated forum any day.
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