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Old 02-13-2016, 07:32 AM
 
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Forbes do it all the times. Oh, well... I don't NEED to read their articles...
But how do they know Elnina?? Does it go by each members account honey??


Im quite confused!!
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Old 02-13-2016, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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But how do they know Elnina?? Does it go by each members account honey??


Im quite confused!!
Forbes can detect an ad blocker and they configured their site to not load if you are using an ad blocker. I just tested it out. No more Forbes for me. Oh darn!
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Old 02-13-2016, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Wooster, Ohio
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I have a Toggle JavaScript button on my Pale Moon browser, which I use to turn off JavaScript when visiting web sites with boorish behavior. Neither Forbes nor Wall Street Journal will load without JavaScript, so I do not read them. No great loss.

I used to read a Kansas newspaper that would take me to a "You must enable JavaScript page. I used BlockSite to prevent the redirection, until they changed to a subscription only format. I no longer go there. No great loss.

I do not use an ad blocker, and have no objection to ads that behave themselves. That means no popups, animation, sound, or blocking other content.
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Old 02-13-2016, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Out West
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uBlock
Much better than adblock.

I can still read Forbes with it, too.
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Old 02-14-2016, 01:43 PM
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Location: Ohio
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But how do they know Elnina?? Does it go by each members account honey??


Im quite confused!!
A connection comes from an IP address on the Internet. An ad blocker will allow the desired content to load and prevent the ad portion from loading. A site using an ad blocker-blocker would put its ad traffic into the "pipeline" first, before its content, detect whether the ads are accepted by the browser and refuse to send the desired content to any connection that rejects the ads.

So a blocker-blocker-blocker client just has to fool the blocker-blocker server into thinking that it accepted the ads, to get the content to load.
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Old 02-14-2016, 10:40 PM
 
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But how do they know IF YOUR VIEWING THIER SPAM?? (How do they know which members are seeing the ads)
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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How can sites tell if your not viewing thier spam??
Conceptually: the advertiser will drop someone onto your computer, then they check if that item is on your computer or if it got blocked or erased. If it is not there, then they assumed it got blocked.
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Old 02-15-2016, 07:56 AM
 
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the advertiser will drop someone onto your computer


Not a job I'd want to have...
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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So a blocker-blocker-blocker client just has to fool the blocker-blocker server into thinking that it accepted the ads, to get the content to load.
There is more than one way to skin a cat. What you could do for example is use CSS to float a DIV that fills the entire viewport. The adblocker blocker script would check to see if you have an adblocker and if it detects none it drops the floating DIV to the background. This all requires JS so blocking the JS file or disabling JS leaves you with the floating DIV over the content. The only recourse here would be go into your browsers settings and disable the styling.

The question for those serving ads is not if they can force ads onto their users but how far they want to take it.

At the end of the day this is not a war adblocker can win, if Google were to deploy a localized version of their ad service it's toast. The adblocker relies on commonality and you can blow that out of the water with localized ads by making it impossible to determine what is an ad and what is content.
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Old 02-15-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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There is more than one way to skin a cat. What you could do for example is use CSS to float a DIV that fills the entire viewport. The adblocker blocker script would check to see if you have an adblocker and if it detects none it drops the floating DIV to the background. This all requires JS so blocking the JS file or disabling JS leaves you with the floating DIV over the content. The only recourse here would be go into your browsers settings and disable the styling.

The question for those serving ads is not if they can force ads onto their users but how far they want to take it.

At the end of the day this is not a war adblocker can win, if Google were to deploy a localized version of their ad service it's toast. The adblocker relies on commonality and you can blow that out of the water with localized ads by making it impossible to determine what is an ad and what is content.
Many are willing to take it so far, their sites become unusable.
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