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Old 03-08-2016, 07:55 PM
 
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Cryptography was once controlled by the state and deployed only for military and diplomatic ends. But in the 1970s, cryptographer Whitfield Diffie devised a system which took encryption keys away from the state and marked the start of the so-called "Crypto Wars".

The clash between Apple and the FBI over whether the company should provide access to encrypted data on a locked iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino attackers highlights debates about privacy and data security which have raged for decades.


How did governments lose control of encryption? - BBC News
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Governments have always been involved with cryptology. I would disagree with the idea that governments have ever 'controlled' cryptology.
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Old 03-09-2016, 01:07 PM
 
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I think the whole thing between apple and the FBI is BS.. Meant to throw the sheeple off..... (And its working.... I HAVE SHEEPLE FRIENDS WHO BELIEVE IT)
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Old 03-09-2016, 03:04 PM
 
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Believe what? What on Earth are you talking about?
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Old 03-09-2016, 03:09 PM
 
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Cryptography was once controlled by the state and deployed only for military and diplomatic ends. But in the 1970s, cryptographer Whitfield Diffie devised a system which took encryption keys away from the state and marked the start of the so-called "Crypto Wars".

The clash between Apple and the FBI over whether the company should provide access to encrypted data on a locked iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino attackers highlights debates about privacy and data security which have raged for decades.


How did governments lose control of encryption? - BBC News
If I understand it correctly the government wants Apple to give them the means to access encrypted phones.

What should happen, and only under a very narrow set of conditions, is that Apple would extract the data and give it to the government.
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Old 03-09-2016, 03:21 PM
 
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If I understand it correctly the government wants Apple to give them the means to access encrypted phones.

What should happen, and only under a very narrow set of conditions, is that Apple would extract the data and give it to the government.
Kind of ... .... the government want's apple to build a custom version of iOS (that's signed with Apples keys so as to appear legitimate to the phone hardware), that can be loaded into an iPhone without disturbing the user data, and that disables all of the security features of the phone.

All of this so that the government can brute force their way into the phone on their own (current iOS / Hardware security measures prevent brute forcing via timeouts, and a very short failure number before clearing the phone).
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Old 03-09-2016, 06:25 PM
 
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All of this so that the government can brute force their way into the phone on their own (current iOS / Hardware security measures prevent brute forcing via timeouts, and a very short failure number before clearing the phone).
What needs to be pointed out here is the passcode is typically very short and brute forcing it is a trivial matter. The brute force detection is an integral part of the entire package.

The system Apple is using and similar systems on computers simply make encryption easy to use. Your average person is not going to remember a 64+ encryption key used to encrypt the data. They can write it down or use some kind of USB key but that is not very secure and not very practical if you need to typeit in every time. That's where the passcode and brute force detection comes in.

If you want an analogy your data is in uncrackable safe but it has a key that weighs 100 pounds. A 100 pound key is a bit impractical to carry around so we store it next to the uncrackable safe in a smaller safe that has a nice small and easy to use key to open it. Since this is no where near as secure as the big safe we limit how many times you can enter the combination. We destroy the big key or optionally the contents of the big safe if you fail after X amount of times. To insure you do not lose any data you can store a spare 100 pound key in safe and secure location for emergency use.
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:53 PM
 
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Believe what? What on Earth are you talking about?
Believe the govt cannot access the stuff on thier Iphone... (THEY HAVE 24/7 ACCESS BELIEVE YOU ME)
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Old 03-10-2016, 11:13 PM
 
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Believe the govt cannot access the stuff on thier Iphone... (THEY HAVE 24/7 ACCESS BELIEVE YOU ME)
Are you familiar with how math works?

All you're doing is reinforcing that people who post vague screeds in all caps generally have no idea what they're talking about.
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Old 03-11-2016, 02:37 PM
 
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Believe what? What on Earth are you talking about?
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Believe the govt cannot access the stuff on thier Iphone... (THEY HAVE 24/7 ACCESS BELIEVE YOU ME)
Besides the obvious "I'm not reading your posts because you're (still) yelling at me", what part of the big fight Apple and the government are having do you not understand?

When you say things like that no one gives you credit for anything you post. So if you actually post something reasonable (with all those caps and ! marks) it gets skipped over because everyone thinks it's some new illogical rant.

We've had this conversation before. Why aren't you listening?
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