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Old 07-16-2013, 08:02 PM
 
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Looks like a 5.5% return on your cash with 3% increases in the rent every year. 5 years left on the lease and would be about $1,000 cash flow positive with 25% down. It's in a high foot traffic area in downtown chicago. About 1600 square feet. Would you do the deal?
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:10 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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looking at a dunkin donuts. What do you think?
The toasted coconut are best.

Do you know how to make donuts?
If so... is that *really* what you want to do? At 4AM?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyZtMfMWONI
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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5.5% is pretty abysmal on a single tenant building, given you'll be on your knees pleading to renew the lease in 5 years.
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Old 07-16-2013, 09:50 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Are you asking a real estate question or a business question?
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:59 AM
 
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Restaurants are nightmares. People calling out, hiring, food safety and waste. You should analyze the franchise contract, expenses and potential income more in depth before buying it. It may even be cheaper to open up a new one down the street.

PS. My mutual funds make about 8% and I don't even have to lift a finger. Opening a DD sounds like an expensive and hard way to make 5.5% return.
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Old 07-17-2013, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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Foot traffic in Chicago also sounds like very high rent to me.
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Old 07-17-2013, 06:41 AM
 
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Would I do the deal? No.

To me, that would be a rather poor return on investment, plus there are so many negatives to being bogged down with owning a commercial building such as that--where you are really at the mercy of the tenant come lease-renewal time. It is definitely not an easy property to sell if you ever decide to switch into something else.

The ideal time to SELL such a property, however, is when there are a few years left on the lease and the tenant appears financially able to fulfill the lease terms. Who knows what will happen later? It's too much risk for too little return--plus it's far too much headache...at least for me.

I'd still favor stocks at the moment...but for real estate investments I'd look at distressed properties--although a much better time was a couple years ago. There still are some properties out there--foreclosures, tax sales, etc.--but it's getting harder to find some clear winners. Still, the upside on some of these properties is much more enticing than a paltry 5.5% return. That's not a bad return for a stock dividend, but for a property you're locked into and can't liquidate immediately--no way.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:11 AM
 
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If you are asking about buying a building that is currently leased to a donut store in Chicago the real questions I would be considering involve alternative uses for a 1600 sq ft space. It is not like Starbucks is expanding, Caribou is pulling out of some locations. Franchises in general have finite life spans...

Now if you are considering buying a donut store the above is even more important to consider -- can you sell this franchise to the next sucker when you realize it is not the license to print money the franchise seller says it is?
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:29 AM
 
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Your figures are suggesting that you can do this deal for a couple hundred grand. Something doesn't make sense....building, plus franchise/business.....please give us a few money details. Thx,
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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I think I'd like a Boston Cream donut, but I won't stop and get one because I have concern for my weight and health.
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