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Old 02-18-2016, 07:05 AM
 
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fidelity had a lot more but since most funds are are actively managed they had sold much of it off . vanguard being a lot of index funds can't
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:09 AM
 
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you do realize that Fidelity has index funds and Vanguard has actively managed funds, don't you?
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:10 AM
 
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for fidelity ,index funds are a tiny part of their fund business . the bulk of their investors are in actively managed funds.

their SPARTAN 500 INDEX IS ONLY A 7 BILLION DOLLAR FUND AND TOTAL MARKET 2 BILLION .

most of their index funds are called enhanced and use some manager discretion in what they buy from the index's.

vanguard has maybe 20x that or more in index funds
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:13 AM
 
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AAPL is a solid stock and with a forward PE between 9-10 it's valued well. I don't see it going into the abyss unless the entire stock market crashes and even if that happens, it will be with the first half of stocks to recover.
Agree, the market is in a downturn now. When it recovers it will be on the rise again.
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:15 AM
 
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index funds are a tiny part of their fund business . the bulk of their investors are in actively managed funds.

their SPARTAN 500 INDEX IS ONLY A 7 BILLION DOLLAR FUND AND TOTAL MARKET 2 BILLION .
If the spartan 500 index is only a 7 billion dollar fund then why do they hold 3.35 billion in Apple stock? Seems like they would want to be more diversified than that.

https://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=AAPL+Major+Holders
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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that holding is 3 months ago .

index funds don't hold everything in the index since the entire s&p 500 is ruled by just the top 50 stocks . assets were 8 billion in nov .
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:29 AM
 
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that holding is 3 months ago .

index funds don't hold everything in the index since the entire s&p 500 is ruled by just the top 50 stocks . assets were 8 billion in nov .
Weird everything I am reading says it has ~87 billion in assets

https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mu...mary/315911206

8 billion....87 billion. Pretty much the same.
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:32 AM
 
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if anyone thinks index funds own every stock and don't trade in and out of stocks think again .

some s&p 500 index funds trade so much trying to maintain the returns of the s&p 500 without owning all the stocks that they rack up taxable turnover that rivals expensive managed funds

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Old 02-18-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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Weird everything I am reading says it has ~87 billion in assets

https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mu...mary/315911206

8 billion....87 billion. Pretty much the same.
let me check , it says 7,348 million .. i could be off a decimal place.

interesting the source i am looking at says assets are 7,348 million . but on your link it says share class net assets are that amount with 86 billion in assets which makes more sense .

share class is :
Share Class Net Assets ($M)
The difference between the total assets and liabilities of a single share class of a fund.


why they give the assets in share class beats me .

but in any event vanguard index funds are many many times the size of fidelity's index funds . just the two classes of s&p funds is almost 1/2 trillion not counting their etf's or total market funds .
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:35 AM
 
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if anyone thinks index funds own every stock and don't trade in and out of stocks think again .

some s&p 500 index funds trade so much trying to maintain the returns of the s&p 500 without owning all the stocks that they rack up taxable turnover that rivals expensive managed funds
what does that have to do with anything. You can also clearly see the turnover rate for the fund. It's 4% compared to the Contrafund which is 38%.

https://fundresearch.fidelity.com/mu...mary/316071109

You seem very defensive about your actively managed funds. Go ahead and pay your higher fees.
I'm sure there are some index funds that turnover, but you can easily find that out before investing in them.

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let me check , it says 7,348 million .. i could be off a decimal place
You need to look at that portfolio as a whole, not that specific class of the fund. Who cares what a specific class has under management, because there are many different classes that fall into one portfolio, they just have different fee structures.
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