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Old 10-20-2016, 05:53 AM
 
Location: new york
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Hello everyone. I came across this 10 unit property this morning and i decided to run some numbers on it.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Beverly-Hi...1/home/6813568 here is the link to the MLS.

The problem is the property doesnt make enough to cover debt service as well as expenses. IF their data sheet is correct this is what it looks like....

RENTS:
Unit 1:1800
Unit 2:1800
Unit 3:1300
Unit 4:1084
Unit 5:1450
Unit 6:1400
Unit 7:2450
Unit 8:1870
Unit 9:2220
Unit 10:2450

AVG:1782.40

Gross: 213,888

Expenses:114,616

NOI: 99,272

Debt service: Website says $29,771 per/mo ( I think this is high ) My number is $25,337 per/mo

Cash Flow: (-$257,980.00) Redfin's # (-$204,772.00) My #

Why would anyone even do something like this? Clearly i am missing something.
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:17 AM
 
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You need to google Kathy Fettke. Very commonsensical woman.


A person would buy speculating prices were on the upswing Or as Warren B woud say buy high and sell higher!

Last edited by ChinkChink; 10-20-2016 at 07:28 AM..
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by IncomeSimplified View Post
Hello everyone. I came across this 10 unit property this morning and i decided to run some numbers on it.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Beverly-Hi...1/home/6813568 here is the link to the MLS.

The problem is the property doesnt make enough to cover debt service as well as expenses. IF their data sheet is correct this is what it looks like....

RENTS:
Unit 1:1800
Unit 2:1800
Unit 3:1300
Unit 4:1084
Unit 5:1450
Unit 6:1400
Unit 7:2450
Unit 8:1870
Unit 9:2220
Unit 10:2450

AVG:1782.40

Gross: 213,888

Expenses:114,616

NOI: 99,272

Debt service: Website says $29,771 per/mo ( I think this is high ) My number is $25,337 per/mo

Cash Flow: (-$257,980.00) Redfin's # (-$204,772.00) My #

Why would anyone even do something like this? Clearly i am missing something.
They probably are doing it for the tax deductions and capital gains. Even if it's a total loss, the owners might have such a huge income from elsewhere, that they can write it all off against that income.
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:20 AM
 
Location: new york
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Originally Posted by ChinkChink View Post
You need to google Kathy Fettke. Very commonsensical woman.


A person would buy speculating prices were on the upswing
I will do that now. And that is the only upside in investing that way? Possible appreciation? That seems strange but if it works
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I will do that now. And that is the only upside in investing that way? Possible appreciation? That seems strange but if it works
No, that is NOT the only upside. See my post above.
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:22 AM
 
Location: new york
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They probably are doing it for the tax deductions and capital gains. Even if it's a total loss, the owners might have such a huge income from elsewhere, that they can write it all off against that income.
Yeah i thought about that. The depreciation on it is 184k/yr. Thats a pretty big write off.
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:23 AM
 
Location: new york
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No, that is NOT the only upside. See my post above.
I posted that prior to seeing your response.
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by IncomeSimplified View Post
Hello everyone. I came across this 10 unit property this morning and i decided to run some numbers on it.
https://www.redfin.com/CA/Beverly-Hi...1/home/6813568 here is the link to the MLS.

The problem is the property doesnt make enough to cover debt service as well as expenses. IF their data sheet is correct this is what it looks like....

RENTS:
Unit 1:1800
Unit 2:1800
Unit 3:1300
Unit 4:1084
Unit 5:1450
Unit 6:1400
Unit 7:2450
Unit 8:1870
Unit 9:2220
Unit 10:2450

AVG:1782.40

Gross: 213,888

Expenses:114,616

NOI: 99,272

Debt service: Website says $29,771 per/mo ( I think this is high ) My number is $25,337 per/mo

Cash Flow: (-$257,980.00) Redfin's # (-$204,772.00) My #

Why would anyone even do something like this? Clearly i am missing something.
How do you KNOW the owners have a mortgage?
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Old 10-20-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: new york
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How do you KNOW the owners have a mortgage?
Thats irrelevant. Im just figuring if it would make money with a traditional purchase with a mortgage.

I know it would make money without a mortgage. I listed the NOI
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Old 10-20-2016, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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Something you should look at is the whole building and if it gets market rents. If there is potential to raise rents that changes the numbers quite a bit
1084 dollars for one of the units to live in Beverly Hills?
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