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Old 01-03-2019, 10:27 PM
 
Location: New York, NY
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People hate to see tens of thousands of dollars vanish. They think, “I could have sold”!

It’s human nature to look at the short term.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It can take a long time to recover sometimes or you can get another crash that puts you back at ground zero again. The market was the same price in 1996 as it was in 2009. YAY! 13 years of waiting just so some of my contributions got a discount!
Yup. This is the bottom line. Read exactly this experience on another forum - ten years to recover from 2008. Given all economic issues out there and world paradigm changes, there is no guarantee of a "normal" recovery. And, what is "normal"?
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Old 01-04-2019, 01:53 AM
 
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in the long run markets are up 2/3's of the time and down 1/3 so much of your buying will be in up trends not down trends .

what happens is over time the up trends tend to wipe out the purchases in the down trends so you end up somewhere in between riding the cycles anyway .

so all in all don't hope for the down turns because what you benefit from in the end may be like peeing in the ocean . i rather have not lost growth for 13 years in 2000 on my entire portfolio
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:57 AM
 
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Or have we just continually kicked the can down the road and the fundamental issues that plagued the past economic weakness still present?


Have corporations juiced their numbers thru unfunded leverage & buybacks rather than true revenue net?
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:58 AM
 
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in the long run markets are up 2/3's of the time and down 1/3 so much of your buying will be in up trends not down trends .

what happens is over time the up trends tend to wipe out the purchases in the down trends so you end up somewhere in between riding the cycles anyway .

so all in all don't hope for the down turns because what you benefit from in the end may be like peeing in the ocean . i rather have not lost growth for 13 years in 2000 on my entire portfolio
And they say market timing is futile.....
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:59 AM
 
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No matter what market we are in there are going to be good co.s to purchase at reasonable valuations
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Old 01-04-2019, 04:01 AM
 
Location: Australia
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Or have we just continually kicked the can down the road and the fundamental issues that plagued the past economic weakness still present?


Have corporations juiced their numbers thru unfunded leverage & buybacks rather than true revenue net?
What is depressing for me is that the world is so global and we are at the mercy of what happens in other countries, regardless of what is happening here in Australia.
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Old 01-04-2019, 04:01 AM
 
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in the end they are correct ...

just look at the fidelity insight growth model .

if you threw 100k in back in 1987 and never added another penny , today it is still around 2.80 million depending on the day lately .

that includes the lost decade ... it is so hard to pick the right time frames to avoid the drops , which by the way if you could do successfully you would be the greatest money manager in history . it is far easier not to miss the gains and just ride the wave , then to think you will avoid the drops and know when to be in ..
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Old 01-04-2019, 04:02 AM
 
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What is depressing for me is that the world is so global and we are at the mercy of what happens in other countries, regardless of what is happening here in Australia.
we are all globally linked . if china sneezes we catch cold
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Old 01-04-2019, 04:03 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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There's always a bull market somewhere.... Jim Cramer
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