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Old 06-12-2010, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I get what you were trying to say edsg25, but you have to realize how your posts read to the 30-40% of Iowa that supports ISU athletics.
read my initial post. i made it more than clear I thought ISU got a rotten deal. As did KU and K-St.

I still feel that way.

My point, more than anything else, was Iowa's edge over ISU was already great. With the conference shake up, it may be insurmountable. And that isn't good for college sports.

I wasn't talking glee, DMR. And while other forumers disagree with me, I do believe that Iowa has a domination over ISU that exceeds most such relationships between the 2 public flagship institutions that exist in a number of states.

It would be hard to argue that IU-Purdue tends to be a battle of equals. It would be also hard to argue that the strength of a major, major institution with a powerful national presence both academically and athletically like MSU tends to hold its own even against the vaunted reputation of U-M.

For all OU's glory, playing in-state in the same conference gives OK St an advantage ISU never had vs. Iowa. UA and ASU split Arizona very well. UF may be #1 in Florida, but in some respect its only the greater of two equals with FSU. Bama-Auburn generates enough spirit to show both sides have great following, even if Ala's is a bit higher.

I can't qualify (although I admit I've seen some figures here and there) but the Iowa-ISU gap really is a wide one. Having the longest two different conferences of any state makes part of the difference; playing in the same league tends to flatten things out a bit. Iowa's draw to the east and the higher profile industrial urbanized states gave it a presence that Great Plains dominated Big 8 play never did for ISU. And as I noted before, Iowa itself is so close to the Mississippi that it's more than a conference thing, it is geographical. Iowa's pull can be felt in the Twin Cities, to a degree in Milwaukee, and nowhere as strong as in Chicagoland. The Univesity of Iowa is in our Chicago sphere as it is in your State of Iowa sphere.

Again, that takes nothing away from ISU which has an excellent, well deserved reputation. But it hard to argue with the dominating effect of UI.

If I've been offensive here (and perhaps I have), I apologize. That wasn't what I had in mind. Quite the opposite: it was the incredibly bad deal that ISU was handed that got me writing. And I think that one stinks.
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Old 06-12-2010, 03:01 PM
 
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jeeeeeeeeeeez, h201, I live in Chicago, the capital of the Midwest.
Capital of the midwest ??????
I always heard it was the anus of the eastcoast.
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Old 06-12-2010, 03:06 PM
 
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I hope you didn't blink and miss it.

But it seems the Hawkeye State is about to become the Hawkeyes' State.

The brave new and insane world of college athletics is now upon us. And Iowa just became a one university state.

Nebraska to the Big Ten or Eleven or Big Dozen or Not So Sweet 16. With the Texas and Oklahoma schools & CU joining the Pac-Whatever.

That leaves Kansas and its vaunted basketball program scheduling home-and-home series with Witchita State, Nebraska-Omaha, and Northeast South Dakota State Teachers and Agricultural College at Prairieville (the old NESDSTACP for those into acronyms).

IOWA STATE? Foregetaboutit! Collateral damage in a swirling BCS cyclone that consumes all the little guys in its path.

Gold and black are the colors now, even in Ames.

Who knows. Maybe there are lessons to be learned in this brave, new, insane world that is college sports (or NFL Lite) today. Maybe the folks in Nebraska can learn how a relatively small and relatively agrarian state like Iowa can generate a top notch, quality public university of what was once known as Big Ten standards like the University of Iowa. Something to think about when the heyseeds from Cornhusker Nation pack Kinnick Stadium in red and white some autumn afternoon.
Can someone translate for me?
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Old 06-12-2010, 03:46 PM
 
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I wish ISU got invited to the Big Ten.

The reason Iowa would oppose it is it might mean a "L" in their conference record .
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Old 06-12-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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Capital of the midwest ??????
I always heard it was the anus of the eastcoast.
Nope. Capital of the midwest. Go to Iowa City. They gladly recognize it there and love the Windy City. Which returns the love.
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Old 06-12-2010, 06:02 PM
 
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Can someone translate for me?
sorry, Drover, tanslating for you doesn't work well. Even if one sticks to monosyllabic words, uses a lot of hand signals a-n-d s-p-e-a-k-s v-e-r-r-r-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y.
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Old 06-12-2010, 06:06 PM
 
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I wish ISU got invited to the Big Ten.

The reason Iowa would oppose it is it might mean a "L" in their conference record .
No. Logic.

Letting ISU into the Big Ten would open Big Ten country for Clone recruitment. Why would Iowa want to do that? Also, having Big Ten membership and knowing ISU is destined for a lesser conference gives Iowa an edge in state. And why wouldn't it take it.

Back around 1950, U-M worked its tail off to keep MSU out of the conference. Who can blame it. Michigan literally had Michigan to itself the way Wisconsin had Wisconsin to itself. Why change that?

Of course it is in the state's best interest for ISU to maintain a major program, but one can hardly assess fault to Iowa for not making that mission their own.
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