Illegal Immigration in Iowa (rent, art, friend)

[Jess5]

Oklahoma just passed a new bill that will go into effect Thursday, Nov. 1. supposedly, the toughest one on illegals and those that harbor them. They come here, get free medical care, have babies free, a lot are on welfare, while we have American citizens who cant get that. They get free care that Vets dont get! Mexico doesnt even want them back! They say it'll put a strain on their local services. You should hear the sob stories. They are so accustomed to getting their way, now they are protesting and trying to stop this bill because of "their rights". They should have no rights in America, if they are illegal!

[Steve_W]

Originally Posted by Jess5

Oklahoma just passed a new bill that will go into effect Thursday, Nov. 1. supposedly, the toughest one on illegals and those that harbor them. They come here, get free medical care, have babies free, a lot are on welfare, while we have American citizens who cant get that. They get free care that Vets dont get! Mexico doesnt even want them back! They say it'll put a strain on their local services. You should hear the sob stories. They are so accustomed to getting their way, now they are protesting and trying to stop this bill because of "their rights". They should have no rights in America, if they are illegal!

Hell legal or not, most of the legal’s became legal through an illegal process. (meaning they lived here with fake information and identification until they could become legal.)

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by Jess5

They get free care that Vets dont get!

This one really gets to me. I don't really need anything or expect anything, but I've been to war as a USMC infantryman for this country and there's not much there for me, but someone can break our laws and violate our sovereignity by illegally crossing our border and then suddenly we've got all kinds of health care, schooling and other assistance for them. Like I said, I'm doing fine on my own but I know there are other veterans that could use the same sort of help illegals get.

[RonnieJonez]

Originally Posted by Jess5

Oklahoma just passed a new bill that will go into effect Thursday, Nov. 1. supposedly, the toughest one on illegals and those that harbor them. They come here, get free medical care, have babies free, a lot are on welfare, while we have American citizens who cant get that. They get free care that Vets dont get! Mexico doesnt even want them back! They say it'll put a strain on their local services. You should hear the sob stories. They are so accustomed to getting their way, now they are protesting and trying to stop this bill because of "their rights". They should have no rights in America, if they are illegal!

Oklahoma's always been at the forefront of racism in this country. They'd make it a state-sanctioned sport if they could. The reality is, no matter how people want to look at it, innocent kids will suffer because of this law.

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by RonnieJonez

innocent kids will suffer because of this law.

I'd rather they look out for the innocent kids of American citizens as opposed to the innocent kids of illegal parents.

[RonnieJonez]

There's underlying racism to these laws which most Americans do not want to admit, or are simply unwilling to admit. It's not about looking out for anyone, an illegal kid did not choose to come here illegally to have his family split up. They should not have to suffer. I know I am the minority of Americans who actually think these people should be given a chance in this country. It's what America was built on, now because we're getting a race of people this government doesn't particularly like we want them gone. Trust me, if these were Illegal Irishmen they'd be welcome with open arms.

I already know no one is going to agree with me and have no trouble admitting that. I think unless an illegal has committed a serious crime he or she should be allowed to stay.

Look at who is building the new areas of West Des Moines, Urbandale, Clive, look around next time you see construction, you'll see how many "so-called Illegals" are doing work you probably consider yourself above doing, like most traditional Americans. Who is handing you your Big Mac at McDonalds, again...the same people you probably want to see gone.

The sad part is so many Americans seem to enjoy the ability to be racist to these people and know there is going to be no repercussion because it's viewed as such a problem.

[kosnebbear]

What part of illegal don't you understand RonnieJonez? What do you want next? How about the kids of say a convicted murder who kills for the fun of it. Do you want us to turn these people loose because of their kids and how it will effect them with their father or mother in jail for breaking the law? We need to change the law about the anchor baby by making them not becoming an American citizen if they enter America illegally. They take the chance knowing that they can be arrested for being in America illegally by getting their families here as well. We can fix this by sending all ot them back as well when the main money maker get caught. This is not about racism either, it is about us the American tax payer not being able to keep up with supporting these individuals. If they want to come to America then do so legally. Put the employer in jail for a number of years for hiring the illegal aliens. If you were in their country do you think that they would give you every thing that we give to the illegals? I can tell you this if you enter into Mexico illegally and get caught you will get a room in the local jail and then in a Mexican prison and sorry you will not get a language assistant either. You will be charged with a felony there at least here you get a hearing with a language assistant and then when it is determined that you are her illegally you get a free trip to the border and excorted across it. You don't go to jail unless you violate a very serious crime here.

[El Rhino]

The illegal kid didn't choose to come here and have his family split up, but that's the risk the parents take when they enter our country illegally. I know I didn't choose for them to come to my country but I guess my choice (and the majority of Americans) isn't important. We're the ones who shouldn't have to suffer the effects of illegal immigration.

I don't know if I would say that the government doesn't want these people here. They're doing a TERRIBLE job policing our borders (the evidence being we are discussing these issues in Iowa), they're not going after those who employ illegals like they should and then there was GW's whole amensty proposal. As previously stated, our government is giving these people more resources than they give veterans or just the common citizen. There's a good letter somewhere floating around the internet of a guy from Iowa who wrote to his congressman saying he was going to renounce his US citizenship and then come across the border illegally for all the services. If I find it, I'll post it.

There are illegal Irishmen out there. Polish ones too. They go after them. They're also better at keeping their noses clean (even though many of them are criminals escaping their native lands). I don't want them here either.

I'm not above doing construction work. I'm above doing it for the wages illegals will work for though. I work in a factory... my job is hard and dirty. I come from a blue collar background and I definitely do not consider myself above doing some of these jobs. Who did these jobs before the illegals started coming in droves? I wonder what a packing plant in Marshalltown looked like in 1980? Hmmm..... You may come from the upper classes of American society, I really don't know, but most average people would do these jobs if they paid a decent wage (which they used to). I also know a lot of underemployed/unemployed native born Americans who would be able to use a good construction or factory job.

A Big Mac isn't tempting enough to want to keep illegal immigrants in my country.

Originally Posted by RonnieJonez

There's underlying racism to these laws which most Americans do not want to admit, or are simply unwilling to admit. It's not about looking out for anyone, an illegal kid did not choose to come here illegally to have his family split up. They should not have to suffer. I know I am the minority of Americans who actually think these people should be given a chance in this country. It's what America was built on, now because we're getting a race of people this government doesn't particularly like we want them gone. Trust me, if these were Illegal Irishmen they'd be welcome with open arms.

I already know no one is going to agree with me and have no trouble admitting that. I think unless an illegal has committed a serious crime he or she should be allowed to stay.

Look at who is building the new areas of West Des Moines, Urbandale, Clive, look around next time you see construction, you'll see how many "so-called Illegals" are doing work you probably consider yourself above doing, like most traditional Americans. Who is handing you your Big Mac at McDonalds, again...the same people you probably want to see gone.

The sad part is so many Americans seem to enjoy the ability to be racist to these people and know there is going to be no repercussion because it's viewed as such a problem.

[Stevie]

Very well put, Kosnebbear and El Rhino.

Ronnie, I understand you are Hispanic yourself (or so I've read), and as a possible result, may be more suspicious of this racism you speak of. But you cannot immediately dismiss these individual Americans as racist just because they are unhappy about illegal immigration.

It's like what the Jews are doing in Israel. If you don't support what they are doing to the Palestinians then you are considered anti-semitic. If you are against the war in Iraq you are considered anti-American.

The list goes on and on.

Yes, there are a lot of racists out there as well as racial ignorance. But I for one am not racist and don't need to admit anything. I am very happy that Iowa is becoming more diverse, but I want the state to handle this diversity the right way and not just the quicker way that bumps up some numbers in the census.

And for the record, I am currently on a diet. Therefore I will not be eating Big Macs for a while.

[RonnieJonez]

This is a racially divided issue, probably 99.9% (maybe not that high but a definite majority) of whites in the Upper Midwest agree with the "DEPORT THEM ALL" idea. You goto a more diverse area, you'll find that more opinions are split. In Iowa, very few people have met an illegal immigrant on a personal level who defies the stereotype. You could goto parts of any big city and you wouldn't even know who is illegal because there's so many groups of Hispanics that wouldn't fit the stereotype and most everyone around here is too ignorant to know that.

There's always going to be what I call "hardliners", meaning anyone who wants to take a Draconian stance on this issue and use the logic of "they broke the law, they need to be gone". That's not what this country was built in. The economy can always absorb more workers. I don't think enough of you have maybe seen the struggle some of these people have gone through, no one knows what they'd do in that position.

All I'm saying is have some compassion, and realize some of them probably should be allowed to stay, it is too hard for them to enter the country legally, I hope some program is implemented so more immigrants who want to work in America are given the opportunity to do so. For now, the racists can celebrate because they are winning.