Illegal Immigration in Iowa

[RonnieJonez]

Maybe you're right, reverse racism seems to be the real problem nowadays!

[Jess5]

Originally Posted by RonnieJonez

Ok Steve, we're on different sides of the issue, time to move on. Them choosing not to speak it is not a "mockery". A lot of them can't learn the language well, after a certain age it is almost impossible to learn a foreign language besides learning a few words and phrases. I don't like the arrogance coming from Americans saying immigrants should be forced to learn English as if it were so easy. Learning a language takes time, most of them are working hard labor jobs and simply don't have the resources to learn it well. Some of them just pick it up living here, and some don't. Regardless, you still need to know at least marginal English to succeed in this country, if that makes you happy.

OK, answer this Ronnie: I am an adult reading tutor. The OKC school system established a program many years ago to help non English speaking people there learn to speak English. The thinking was that they could better communicate with everyone, and to see what their children were learning in our schools. (gee, what an idea, huh?) There were different classes they could take at different times during the day and evening. Guess who didn't want to show up? Some even had the nerve to say they didn't want or need to speak English! That we could speak Spanish if we wanted to talk to them! Every convenience was made for them. It was completely free, including transportation to the administration building where the classes were taught. They never had a decent number of Spanish people show up. Some might have came a time or two and decided it was too hard, or not worth their time. We quit tutoring because we never knew if anyone would even be there! A lot of people don't think its hard to learn, but those are the ones who want to learn it.

[RonnieJonez]

You'd like it to be, but it is just not that simple. I can already picture some of the idiots on here coming in just to salute you for making what appears to be an irrefutable point.

You're using one situation in one town and using that to say "Therefore all Illegals must not want to learn English". It's one thing the anti-Illegal camp does very well, neglecting to realize many illegals would like to learn and oversimplifying problems to suit their own cause.

And by the way "Spanish people" would imply Spaniards, not Spanish-Speaking illegals in America who are typically of Mexican or Central American descent.

[El Rhino]

What does it matter if they do want to learn English? It doesn't change the fact they're in our country illegally.

[Steve_W]

Originally Posted by RonnieJonez

You'd like it to be, but it is just not that simple. I can already picture some of the idiots on here coming in just to salute you for making what appears to be an irrefutable point.

You're using one situation in one town and using that to say "Therefore all Illegals must not want to learn English". It's one thing the anti-Illegal camp does very well, neglecting to realize many illegals would like to learn and oversimplifying problems to suit their own cause.

And by the way "Spanish people" would imply Spaniards, not Spanish-Speaking illegals in America who are typically of Mexican or Central American descent.

I thought she made a great point. It is a perfect example of their unwillingness to integrate into our country. They are gradually taking up small sections of towns and cities and making them into little Mexicos.

[Jess5]

Thanks Steve. That is exactly true. Thats just one small example. I've learned a lot since then, and I wouldn't tutor an illegal for anything in this day and age. They've gotten even more hateful and demanding.

[Cornerguy1]

It's really quite simple, folks.

If you can't restrain yourselves enough to discuss this topic within the parameters established by the Terms of Service, then don't discuss it at all.

Allowing a thread to degenerate into a series of personal putdowns adds nothing to the value of City Data and is not acceptable.

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