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12-06-2007, 10:24 PM
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What happened to the Separation of Church and State?
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It works both ways though... We have freedom from religion and freedom for religion.
Guiliani in drag is disturbing to say the least.
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12-07-2007, 06:23 PM
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The candidate who campaigns the most in Iowa will usually win.
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What?? This is the dumbest thing I ever heard.....
You folks in Iowa better start comparing candidates......
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12-07-2007, 10:24 PM
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Geesh, whoever Iowa votes for, I hope to God they won't be blind to how phony Huckabee is! He is nothing but another puppet of special interest groups and large corporations (like Bush). That's just what we need!
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12-08-2007, 07:07 PM
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[quote=El Rhino;2189202]It works both ways though... We have freedom from religion and freedom for religion.quote]
Agree - as a people. Not as a government official though.
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12-09-2007, 06:57 AM
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[quote=Not Iowa;2203623]
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Originally Posted by El Rhino
It works both ways though... We have freedom from religion and freedom for religion.quote]
Agree - as a people. Not as a government official though.
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Well yeah, but in a democracy the government officials are supposed to come from "the people". They shouldn't lose their right to religion upon getting elected. If we don't like their views, I guess it's our right to not vote for them.
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12-09-2007, 09:04 AM
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More and more, Republicans have stopped voting since 1994 because they saw nothing to vote FOR as those they elected moved further and further to the left, on social issues, on spending and for not taking advantage when they had a majority.
Tom Tancredo gives them something to vote FOR but the CFR controlled media suppresses his message. He will not play their one world order game. He is the only America First candidate in the campaign.
Ron Paul has no chance of winning the nomination because of his ("we can just talk to them") position on the war on terror. Duncan Hunter is a good man but there is no passion in his campaign.
Tom Tancredo is the only candidate not connected to the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission or Bilderberg Group who can win the GOP nomination because of his passion for protecting American culture and sovereignty. The R following his name is real and he CAN beat any candidate with a D after their name that other party nominates.
Tom Tancredo is far from the one-trick-pony the media portrays him to be. His message is not only to secure the borders and stop illegal immigration. Those two things will do so much more FOR AMERICA. Securing the borders and stopping illegal immigration will protect America from those terrorist organizations known already to have entered the United States, and protect America from the drug runners; some are caught daily but many others get through.
Tom Tancredo is opposed to the UN and will renegotiate or rescind the trade deals that have left the USA holding the short and dirty end of the stick. He will withdraw from SPP and supports withdrawal from WTO.
Tom Tancredo is a former school teacher. He supports school choice and vouchers. He voted against No Child Left Behind and would like for the U.S. Department of Education to be closed down, giving control of a child’s education back to the parents and local school boards. He cannot do this without the support of congress, so when you decide to cast your primary vote for Tom, you need to start looking at where the U.S. Congress candidates where you live stand on that issue.
Tom has said he will force Congress to reduce the size of government by using his veto pen to keep them from throwing good money after bad on programs that are unnecessary, too big or not working.
Tom supports tax reform that is simpler and fairer and is an early cosponsor of the H.R.25; the FAIRTAX plan.
Tom is a Christian Conservative who will appoint Supreme Court Justices who will protect the right to life and will sign a Constitutional Amendment passed by congress that will define marriage as a union between one man and one woman.
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12-09-2007, 09:07 AM
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Give Tom Tancredo credit for one thing: When it came time to decline the invitation to attend this Sunday's Republican debate on Spansh-language channel Univision, he didn't opt for the flimsy "scheduling conflicts" excuse. Instead, he's saying that the very idea of a debate in Spanish is un-American.
“It is the law that to become a naturalized citizen of this country you must have knowledge and understanding of English, including a basic ability to read, write, and speak the language,” Tancredo said in a release. “So what may I ask are our presidential candidates doing participating in a Spanish speaking debate? Pandering comes to mind.”
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12-09-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RonnieJonez
The candidate who campaigns the most in Iowa will usually win.
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Tell that to Tommy Thompson, who spent virtually his entire campaign war chest in the state, and had to bow out right after the Ames straw poll. Then there's Chris Dodd who actually moved his family to Des Moines this year...and he's still mired in single digits.
I don't get why Iowa has gone ga-ga for Huckabee. I know Iowa isn't a blue state like Illinois, but I never figured we'd starting acting like Utah by giving Huckabee some momentum.
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12-10-2007, 07:50 PM
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[quote=El Rhino;2205914]
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Originally Posted by Not Iowa
Well yeah, but in a democracy the government officials are supposed to come from "the people". They shouldn't lose their right to religion upon getting elected. If we don't like their views, I guess it's our right to not vote for them.
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Okay. I'm 90% in agreement with you.
So long as the constitution prevails over whatever the elected's religious text may be.
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12-10-2007, 11:52 PM
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[quote=Not Iowa;2219565]
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Originally Posted by El Rhino
Okay. I'm 90% in agreement with you.
So long as the constitution prevails over whatever the elected's religious text may be.
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I think they swear an oath (to God or the religious diety of their choosing) to uphold the constitution upon taking office for what it's worth. I guess there's no way getting around it.
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