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Old 03-27-2015, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Calera, AL
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These little town governments are in the minor leagues (or as Barry Obama says, they're the JV) when it comes to government corruption.

When it comes to major league corruption, nothing can top the current ruling "families" running each Indian reservation. Someone wins an election, he then throws out all the previous tribal presidents' relatives and replaces with his own. They then work together to pocket millions of dollars from the federal government and briberies for government contracts that were supposed to help the people of the reservation. They work diligently at this until they get caught or lose an election to another family.
The irony of that is, Obama was a senator from the most corrupt state in the nation. As they say, takes one to know one!

I don't doubt the corruption of tribal politics, but that's sort of an apple-to-oranges comparison. Indian land is semi-autonomous so really and truly, not much is going to get done since basically only the feds can really intervene (and for the most part, the federal gov't doesn't care).
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Old 04-26-2015, 08:49 PM
 
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If Luther citizens decide to unincorporate, that's their choice, but not approving a new sewer system only means that when each home is sold to someone else in the future, the existing owner will have to put in a new approved septic system BEFORE THE HOME CAN BE SOLD. My aunt went thru the same hoops to selling her acreage NW of Nevada, even though the current system they were using was still good. IT'S A NEW REQUIREMENT.

They are just delaying the cost of any system until later when the replacement system will cost them even more. The old PAY ME NOW OR REALLY PAY ME LATER
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Old 04-27-2015, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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They are just delaying the cost of any system until later when the replacement system will cost them even more. The old PAY ME NOW OR REALLY PAY ME LATER
I agree. This issue isn't going to go away, and giving up their city government may actually end up costing them more when the DNR eventually pushes a sewer system on them.

If they've got officials conducting closed-door meetings and making decisions without following proper procedures then they need to replace those officials, not discontinue the town. It seems like they want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Calera, AL
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I agree. This issue isn't going to go away, and giving up their city government may actually end up costing them more when the DNR eventually pushes a sewer system on them.

If they've got officials conducting closed-door meetings and making decisions without following proper procedures then they need to replace those officials, not discontinue the town. It seems like they want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
It probably works a lot like the crooked HOA that we unfortunately belong to. Even thought they have elections every year to replace the board members, the same people keep getting re-elected because it's rigged.
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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It probably works a lot like the crooked HOA that we unfortunately belong to. Even thought they have elections every year to replace the board members, the same people keep getting re-elected because it's rigged.
It's not really possible to rig a municipal election in the state of Iowa. The more likely scenario is that the same people keep getting elected because nobody else is willing to hold office.

And as I said before, I'm skeptical that any closed door meetings even took place. Chances are the meeting notices were properly publicized but nobody chose to show up, and now there are people unhappy with the decisions that were made in the meetings that they chose not to participate in.
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Old 04-28-2015, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Calera, AL
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Yeah, if you want corruption, look at Alabama. It's right up there with Illinois, from state-level all the way down to the smallest of towns.

Luther is a very small town and has been on the decline for a good while. Its older residents are dying off and the younger generations are looking for greener pastures, so it probably should be little surprise that there's so few people interested in staying and trying to keep the city running. In fact, their old schoolhouse (it's been sitting empty for decades) was demolished earlier this year. Not to mention, Boone County doesn't want to take control of the community until the city gets its streets up to code.

But there might be some hope for the community. There's a gentleman who wants to relocate his portable toilet business (sort of ironic, given the situation) where the old schoolhouse stood. There's some interesting info related to the city's future in the blog section of Iowa Highway Ends.
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Old 05-04-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
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Actually a majority of Iowans are moving OUT of state, rather than staying in.. Iowa Metro's may grown just a little bit, but the recent Census data show we (Iowa), are growing way below the national average due to this reason.
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Old 05-04-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Des Moines, Iowa
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Actually a majority of Iowans are moving OUT of state, rather than staying in.. Iowa Metro's may grown just a little bit, but the recent Census data show we (Iowa), are growing way below the national average due to this reason.
The rural areas are losing people ( just like other rural areas in the US), but metro's are gaining. Your statement isn't true because the total population of the state isn't declining.
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Old 05-04-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Jonesboro
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Yes ^^^ capitalcityguy is correct. We've got to be careful in how we phrase things like the original statement as in there is a major difference between writing that, "...a majority of Iowans (a majority of all of the state population of 3 million plus?) are moving out of state" or putting it as, "a majority of people who either move into or out of the state are Iowans who are leaving the state."
But, in reality, even that latter phraseology is not the absolute cut-and-dried truth. There are some years where that is the case & other years where more U.S. residents move into Iowa than the number of Iowans who move out. In reality it's a really balanced close migratory call and by virtue of statistical data, The Census Bureau classifies Iowa as a "balanced state", i.e. it's net migration is pretty evenly split as regards the in and out movement of people.
Components of net migration include the movement between states & migration in and out from overseas sources.
A component of overall population change that is also very important & a contributor to the slow overall population increase of Iowa is the relatively small births-over-deaths surplus that the state runs.
Returning to the inter-state migration issue, The Census Bureau estimated in it's most recent 2014 data that slightly over 4,000 more people had left Iowa than had moved into it between the 2010 census count and the year 2014. The bureau pegged that miniscule outflow at .2 per cent (i.e. point 2 per cent) of the state population base. It also noted that North & South Dakota were the best performers in the north central portion of the country during that time frame &, other than South Dakota, Iowa did better than any of it's bordering neighbors in net migratory flow from 2010 to 2014.

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Old 05-06-2015, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Calera, AL
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Since 2010, Iowa is the 29th-fastest growing state in the country. Definitely a far cry from a couple of decades ago when it was closer to 45th. It's not experiencing a boom like say, the Dakotas, but it's chugging along at a steady pace and is even growing at a faster rate than some Sunbelt states. Barring an explosion of jobs (unlikely, but you never know) I doubt its growth rate will get much higher than this for the foreseeable future.
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