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Old 08-28-2020, 01:19 PM
 
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Instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water the better thing to do would be to incentivize small family farms that produce food as opposed to huge cornfields owned by corporations that don’t produce anything that feeds people or livestock, just produces ethanol for fuel, which is a waste anyway because not only is ethanol bad in the long run for automobiles it doesn’t do anything for emissions or fuel effiency.

That said if every place with some issues in their agricultural sector ditched farming we would all starve. We can never have too many crops, there are already way too many tech companies.
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Old 08-28-2020, 02:22 PM
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Instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water the better thing to do would be to incentivize small family farms that produce food as opposed to huge cornfields owned by corporations that don’t produce anything that feeds people or livestock, just produces ethanol for fuel, which is a waste anyway because not only is ethanol bad in the long run for automobiles it doesn’t do anything for emissions or fuel effiency.
That's a bit of exaggeration. Plenty of corn is used for livestock feed. I couldn't say how this compares with ethanol, but it's certainly a large percentage of the overall production. There is a little bit of sweet corn production too, the sort of corn that humans eat. My father rented some land that had sandier soil and was less suitable for growing the "field corn" that is used for ethanol and livestock feed, and so he rotated that land between sweet corn and peas in alternate years. Both were sent to a local canning factory, which I believe was operated by Green Giant.

I do agree that ethanol is a wasteful use of productive cropland, but I expect this use will decline over time as EV's become more and more common.

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Old 08-29-2020, 05:08 AM
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Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water the better thing to do would be to incentivize small family farms that produce food as opposed to huge cornfields owned by corporations that don’t produce anything that feeds people or livestock, just produces ethanol for fuel, which is a waste anyway because not only is ethanol bad in the long run for automobiles it doesn’t do anything for emissions or fuel effiency.

That said if every place with some issues in their agricultural sector ditched farming we would all starve. We can never have too many crops, there are already way too many tech companies.
You obviously have a lot to learn about the workings of a free, open, and self-regulating economy. The dreamers and the authority-obsessed propose, and supply and demand dispose.
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Old 08-30-2020, 06:31 PM
 
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You obviously have a lot to learn about the workings of a free, open, and self-regulating economy. The dreamers and the authority-obsessed propose, and supply and demand dispose.
Farming subsidies from farms in Iowa totaled $20,472,000,000 in from 1995-2019.

What were you saying about free, open, self-regulating markets?
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Old 09-02-2020, 04:54 PM
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Farming subsidies from farms in Iowa totaled $20,472,000,000 in from 1995-2019.

What were you saying about free, open, self-regulating markets?
And this market is not self-regulating; the subsidies ensure over-production in order to guarantee a supply of cheap food and animal feed. I'm not even trying to pass judgement on that objective, but the "artificial" surplus incentivized by the subsidy prevents the market from regulating itself.

It also indirectly encourages turning that surplus into ethanol (which is both easier to transport and can't spoil) just as the farmers in the "whiskey rebellion" did nearly two and one-half centuries ago.

Mr/Ms Pmicallief apparently just has a grudge against "factory farming" and ethanol production, and a sentimental attachment for "family farms"; so be it!

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