Is Iowa still promoting the State to Minorities? (college, versus)

[Not Iowa]

Originally Posted by Steve_W

Not Iowa is struggling. There is no logic behind any of that babble.

Not so much W. I simply took percentages and put them to real numbers. Then I posed a question of how a non-white person would fit up in that real scenerio - to which no person here could answer.

Rather than deflect, prove the direct correlation between non-whites & crime. Then prove where whites don't hold relatively similar statistics. Back up your argument rather than create new ones.

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by Not Iowa

Alright, I will look for that. In the meantime, tell us all about the big & bad blacks and hispanics in Des Moines. Specific crime incidents, directly related to an influx in non-white residents over a period of time.

More interesting to me would be a comparison between the number of dangerous non-white neighborhoods vs. the number of white-run-meth labs in this state.

This is Iowa. I haven't found a neighborhood yet where I would feel unsafe.

Polk County Inmate Listing

Check for yourself. Here is a listing of all the inmates in the Polk County Jail, with mugshots, listings of their charges and so-on. While perusing through, keep in mind that Des Moines is 80% white, and throwing in the rest of Polk County makes it 88% white (according to Wikipedia). On another note, notice that people who clearly aren't white, but Hispanic, are listed as "white" under the race category.

dangerous black neighborhoods vs. white run meth labs... Well, for starters Iowa is about 90+% white, so there are going to be more white run meth labs and a "neighborhood" takes many people while a meth lab doesn't.

[Not Iowa]

Of the first 25, 1 was hispanic, & 6 were black and the rest were white. So 75% white of a sample of the total population.

I'm still not seeing your overrun communities in Iowa. Why don't you show us the black/hispanic neighborhood that is so dangerous.

Also, the topic of this forum is on diversity. Why not find a DIVERSE neighborhood that is ruined by a balance of races living together.

[pirate_lafitte]

There is very little productive dialogue, so I am going to say something here: Iowa has prejudice just like any other state does. Does racism exist in Iowa? Yes it does, just like it does in other states. Are there criminals in Iowa? Yes there are. Are the only criminals in Iowa black? No. You have criminals in Iowa of every race, black, white, hispanic, asian, etc. The governor may be trying to promote Iowa to minorities. This is why Iowa has never been promotable to minorities in a productive way: Atlanta, Charlotte, Dallas, Houston, among certain locations. Alot of jobs and businesses are going to those locations and large numbers of middle-class blacks are following jobs in that direction, and also many blacks go to the south are network with other blacks. Iowa isn't on the radar for the most part because of the job market in Iowa. Are there successful minorities in Iowa? Chances are yes there are. If Iowa wants to promote itself to minorities, then the solution isn't more welfare, but more jobs and businesses going to Iowa. If a place has to be "promoted" then there is probably a reason many people don't go there. Iowa's problem is being inherited from other parts of the Midwest. The problem is that other parts of the Midwest had industrial jobs that included unskilled labor. It attracted many, until factory jobs started leaving. This left a big hole. It left alot of unemployed people with few skills. Furthermore, welfare restrictions began to take places. Many people left other states for more liberal welfare benefits. Others who wanted to work headed wherever there was work. There are alot of immigrants who are going to Iowa to fill jobs. For many immigrants, home is wherever one can find work. In many cases this means Iowa.

[Steve_W]

Originally Posted by Not Iowa

Not so much W. I simply took percentages and put them to real numbers. Then I posed a question of how a non-white person would fit up in that real scenerio - to which no person here could answer.

Rather than deflect, prove the direct correlation between non-whites & crime. Then prove where whites don't hold relatively similar statistics. Back up your argument rather than create new ones.

So are you implying that crime statistics are very simialr between whites & other minorities?

Im really not seeing what you are trying to porve.

Make it real simple for the slow ones here.

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by Not Iowa

Of the first 25, 1 was hispanic, & 6 were black and the rest were white. So 75% white of a sample of the total population.

I'm still not seeing your overrun communities in Iowa. Why don't you show us the black/hispanic neighborhood that is so dangerous.

Also, the topic of this forum is on diversity. Why not find a DIVERSE neighborhood that is ruined by a balance of races living together.

The Oakridge area of Des Moines, as well as the area around MLK, Mondamin, Forest Ave and so-on. Then there's some East Side neighborhoods and some third world trailer parks on the South Side.

I don't know about Waterloo, Sioux City, Cedar Rapids or Davenport. I hear they all have some really shady areas, but I've never been to any of those places.

As far as a diverse neighborhood, try Des Moines' South East side. There's a decent amount of blacks, hispanics, SE Asians and whites. Things weren't always perfect there, but they've gotten worse since Section 8 housing opened up and more immigrants started coming from Latin America.

Most people don't have a problem with the Asians though, although I will say that there are a some people who are geniunely xenophobic/racist and don't like them simply because they're different.

[Not Iowa]

Originally Posted by Steve_W

So are you implying that crime statistics are very simialr between whites & other minorities?

Im really not seeing what you are trying to porve.

Make it real simple for the slow ones here.

Many of the statistics are similar. Take a look for yourself. Black on Black & White on White are comparable. Black on White is greater than White on Black, but White on "Other' is greater than Black on "Other". Whites committ more domestic murders, including spouses, children, and parents. The trends go on. Based on that, it seems to me that underlying factors are more prevelent than the race itself.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide Trends in the United States: Trends the racial composition of homicides table

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by Not Iowa

Many of the statistics are similar. Take a look for yourself. Black on Black & White on White are comparable. Black on White is greater than White on Black, but White on "Other' is greater than Black on "Other". Whites committ more domestic murders, including spouses, children, and parents. The trends go on. Based on that, it seems to me that underlying factors are more prevelent than the race itself.

Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide Trends in the United States: Trends the racial composition of homicides table

The stats really aren't similar. While there may be similar numbers in black on black vs. white on white, blacks are still about 15% of the population (give or take a few, I'm not certain on that figure).

The white on "other" is greater by .1 % or so. Who the hell is "other", anyways? Martians? Australian Aborignees?

[Not Iowa]

Originally Posted by El Rhino

The stats really aren't similar. While there may be similar numbers in black on black vs. white on white, blacks are still about 15% of the population (give or take a few, I'm not certain on that figure).

The white on "other" is greater by .1 % or so. Who the hell is "other", anyways? Martians? Australian Aborignees?

True. Actually blacks are only 12.1% as of the 2000 census. That's 35 million - of which there were less than 7,000 offenders (homocide)...which is what .0002% of the black population?

All I am asking is, why discount an entire race? Crap comes in all colors.

I haven't found the article the OP referenced, but I'd bet that "Iowa Promoting Itself to Minorities" doesn't mean a huge exit sign at each border saying "short lines at the welfare office!" - there has to be more to it than that.

[Theogonies]

I live in Iowa City. On the South side, a nice modest home, quiet street. There are two black families across the street. They live right next door to each other. The nearly all-black area starts a couple blocks to the west, and also about six blocks to the east, where there are a few cheap apartment houses, and habitat for humanity houses. It's a weird area, because all the houses right near here are around $150's, but with big yards, while just down the main drag (Sycamore) there are several new developments with houses in the $200-250's.

There are many more black people moving in around the Pepperwood plaza/Broadway/Taylor drive area, and the one thing people keep saying is that they all act as though they had never seen white people before. Now there are a number of fights started in the schools, more than usual, and a run of burglaries, domestic violence, spouse abuse, and all the instances have been amongst blacks recently moved here. This is the simple unvarnished truth, but you have to realize, at the same time, I am talking in dozens, and possibly hundreds, of people, moving in, and of crimes, a half dozen or a dozen or so more than usual. And the usual is a burglary or a beating or disturbance, one at a time. Usually students, sometimes white. (Junkies, we have a few.) I have a degree in crim and sociology, so it's funny to be talking so vaguely. BUt I hadn't been aware the projects were closing down, and I can't imagine what they expect people to do. Around here, people are nice, accessible, reasonable. Many of the black youths I see cluster in groups, and give very hostile looks at passersby, who are, I suppose, gawking. My parents came from the south, and we went back off and on thru my childhood, and I just don't react strangely to black people, I just had a nice conversation with a woman in K-Mart (who was black). And I am friendly, and act as if I expected them to be friendly too. But many of these "yankees" go all cow-eyed when they see a black person, or act as if some little Mexican man was going to knife them when he's all wore out, downtown trying to buy groceries or clothes for his kids. We'll get by. It's just a small, real white town.