Is Iowa still promoting the State to Minorities? (Des Moines, Cedar Rapids: rent, jobs)

[Not Iowa]

Originally Posted by El Rhino

Amen, Steve. These things are more of a problem than people saying things that aren't nice about other people.


Not Iowa, are you sure you don't mean we don't have enough melanin here or do you think we really lack cultural diversity? What about all the great European cultures represented in this state? We've got the Dutch in Pella and Orange City, Germans in Amana, Czechs in Cedar Rapids, Norwegians in Decorah, Italians in South Des Moines, Danes in Elk Horn and I believe there are a few other ethnic towns I'm missing.

So we don't have massive ghettoes or barrios. I'll take windmills over crackhead apartments any day.

I'd take a field full of Turbines anywhere as well - however, the generalization that "blacks" and "hispanics" equals ghettos is a disturbing mindset. You've mentioned fantastic caucasion ethnicities - what about the rest? Do we want our Iowan children growing up believing that a "black" can't hold down a job, refuses to rise above "thier" standard of living, and depletes the welfare system? Is that a fair statement to make? Is this something that more Iowans believe is correct than incorrect?

Population growth generally fuels any economy. The assumption that if the population growth is not of european descent it will cause chaos is ridiculous. NYC is the land of 187 ethinicities - and quite prosporous even with ghettos. All members of that population spend money - most earn money - thus fueling the economy. Why build a fense around Iowa?

Eighty years ago signs across the east coast read "Irish Men and Dogs Need Not Apply". Would that stand today? Why do blanketed statements against non - white races stand?

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by Not Iowa

I'd take a field full of Turbines anywhere as well - however, the generalization that "blacks" and "hispanics" equals ghettos is a disturbing mindset. You've mentioned fantastic caucasion ethnicities - what about the rest? Do we want our Iowan children growing up believing that a "black" can't hold down a job, refuses to rise above "thier" standard of living, and depletes the welfare system? Is that a fair statement to make? Is this something that more Iowans believe is correct than incorrect?

Population growth generally fuels any economy. The assumption that if the population growth is not of european descent it will cause chaos is ridiculous. NYC is the land of 187 ethinicities - and quite prosporous even with ghettos. All members of that population spend money - most earn money - thus fueling the economy. Why build a fense around Iowa?

Eighty years ago signs across the east coast read "Irish Men and Dogs Need Not Apply". Would that stand today? Why do blanketed statements against non - white races stand?

If Iowa doesn't have a lot of minorities, we do not need them for the sake of having them around as some sort of petting zoo for our white children. That's pretty much what you're saying.

As far as blacks and hispanics always meaning ghettoes, no that's not 100% true.... but it's accurate enough to not chance it. Start naming me some decent black and Hispanic communities though if you really want to prove me wrong.

I've never been to NYC, but I imagine that many communities within the NYC area aren't doing as well as you make it out to seem. I'm sure there's poverty and crime beyond our comprehension there.

The anti-Irish myth has been debunked (to a degree) and I'm sure today if someone went on TV talking bad about the Irish it would go over better than if someone refered to a female basketball team as "nappy headed ho's".

[Not Iowa]

Originally Posted by El Rhino

If Iowa doesn't have a lot of minorities, we do not need them for the sake of having them around as some sort of petting zoo for our white children. That's pretty much what you're saying.

As far as blacks and hispanics always meaning ghettoes, no that's not 100% true.... but it's accurate enough to not chance it. Start naming me some decent black and Hispanic communities though if you really want to prove me wrong.

I've never been to NYC, but I imagine that many communities within the NYC area aren't doing as well as you make it out to seem. I'm sure there's poverty and crime beyond our comprehension there.

The anti-Irish myth has been debunked (to a degree) and I'm sure today if someone went on TV talking bad about the Irish it would go over better than if someone refered to a female basketball team as "nappy headed ho's".

That's ridiculous. I am not suggesting that you open a petting zoo, I'm suggesting you open your minds.

I am questioning the validity of the blanketed statements made in this forum against two entire races - blacks and hispanics.

These blanketed statements are what is knows as racism.

You are entitled to be a racist, but you are representing this state as a racist state. The "petting zoo" for our children is a deflective statement. Why not just show them all of the white meth labs Iowa is notorious for?

Crime:Population in NYC - look it up and come back to me.

Are there any non-racists in Iowa, or was I right when I said Iowans were closed minded afterall?

[Not Iowa]

Originally Posted by El Rhino

The anti-Irish myth has been debunked (to a degree) and I'm sure today if someone went on TV talking bad about the Irish it would go over better than if someone refered to a female basketball team as "nappy headed ho's".

Prove this, because I know it is untrue.

Then, prove that the Nazi concentration camps never existed.

A common tactic of racists is to deny the activity has a history, currenty exists, or to even be able to see how horrid and uneducated their statements actually are.

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by Not Iowa

That's ridiculous. I am not suggesting that you open a petting zoo, I'm suggesting you open your minds.

I am questioning the validity of the blanketed statements made in this forum against two entire races - blacks and hispanics.

These blanketed statements are what is knows as racism.

You are entitled to be a racist, but you are representing this state as a racist state. The "petting zoo" for our children is a deflective statement. Why not just show them all of the white meth labs Iowa is notorious for?

Crime:Population in NYC - look it up and come back to me.

Are there any non-racists in Iowa, or was I right when I said Iowans were closed minded afterall?

Just because a statement is "racist", doesn't mean it isn't valid. That card isn't going to work with me. I also think it's funny that you're basically saying that if you hold an opinion and it doesn't quite fall in line with yours, you are close minded. If being "open minded" means you can't make up your mind about the tough issues, I'll stay where I am, thank you. Trust me, I put some thought into where I stand.

Yes, I did make some blanket statements...and I did throw in the "although it isn't 100% true" disclaimer.

I did look up crime in NYC and I know that it's pretty good compared to most major cities (and even some major European cities now). I just don't agree with your statement that all of the groups are prospering there. I know some are, but I'm sure there are some neighborhoods you wouldn't want to venture in at all.

[El Rhino]

Originally Posted by Not Iowa

Prove this, because I know it is untrue.

Then, prove that the Nazi concentration camps never existed.

A common tactic of racists is to deny the activity has a history, currenty exists, or to even be able to see how horrid and uneducated their statements actually are.

From what I've read, anti-Irish sentiment wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. I've heard people make all kinds of claims that the Irish were treated in a similar manner as the blacks where which I doubt. I know people were wary of Catholics in general and since we had a primarily Anglo society, there were still some hard feelings... but the "no Irish" signs weren't as widespread as some say.... So I've read.

As far as the concentration camps, I've never said they didn't exist. I'd say now is a good time for the moderators to come in and tell you (or me) to keep it on subject when you start bringing up concentration camps.

[Not Iowa]

Originally Posted by El Rhino

From what I've read, anti-Irish sentiment wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. I've heard people make all kinds of claims that the Irish were treated in a similar manner as the blacks where which I doubt. I know people were wary of Catholics in general and since we had a primarily Anglo society, there were still some hard feelings... but the "no Irish" signs weren't as widespread as some say.... So I've read.

As far as the concentration camps, I've never said they didn't exist. I'd say now is a good time for the moderators to come in and tell you (or me) to keep it on subject when you start bringing up concentration camps.

This came off topic when the the posts went from bringing minorities to Iowa to why "all blacks and hispanics" were inferior races and (says you) unwanted in this state.

Look, maybe only having lived in a virtually all white state you are bound to be a racist? Why not make an effort to get to know somebody of another race - the comments about children earlier will become important to you when you have them. You will not want to teach hatred as you have been taught.

Best of luck...

[Steve_W]

Gotta agree with El Rhino,

Find a predominantly black or Hispanic neighborhood in the Midwest that isn't crime ridden and we can talk.

[pirate_lafitte]

Originally Posted by Steve_W

Gotta agree with El Rhino,

Find a predominantly black or Hispanic neighborhood in the Midwest that isn't crime ridden and we can talk.

Chatham,IL

[Steve_W]

Originally Posted by pirate_lafitte

Chatham,IL

96.8% of Chatham,IL is white.